00;00;03;16 - 00;00;23;02 Unknown That's. 00;00;23;05 - 00;00;31;19 Unknown And higher and higher and. 00;00;31;21 - 00;00;56;22 Unknown If you dig the twisted, admired the outlandish, and are enamored by the unusual, you're in the right place. True crime, the supernatural, the unexplained. Now you're speaking our language. If you agree. Join us as we dive into the darker side. You know, because it's more fun over here. Welcome to Total Conundrum. 00;00;56;25 - 00;01;10;08 Unknown One. Someone's first move. Born forward. Courtroom. Scarborough. This discussion is advanced. 00;01;10;10 - 00;01;40;11 Unknown All right, conundrum crew. Tonight, we're diving headfirst into the world of the paranormal investigations, the evidence, the moments that make you question everything you thought you knew about the afterlife. Joining us tonight is Afterlife Paranormal, a team dedicated to exploring the unknown, uncovering what may exist beyond this life. From haunted locations and chilling encounters to the science, skepticism and emotional side of paranormal investigations, they've seen it all. 00;01;40;13 - 00;01;46;04 Unknown We're going to talk about their most intense cases, the moments that shook even seasoned investigators, 00;01;46;04 - 00;01;57;02 Unknown and what keeps them going back into places that most people won't step foot into after dark. So dim your lights. Turn the volume up and settle in because this is going to be a good one. 00;01;57;08 - 00;01;59;18 Unknown Welcome to Total Conundrum. 00;01;59;18 - 00;02;23;05 Unknown Hey guys. Thanks for joining us. Does everybody want to kind of give themselves a little introduction Go ahead Gina. My name is Gina, and I'm one of the co-founders of afterlife. All Stars. And Tim and I, we've been on previous we've been on other teams before. And when we started this team, we just wanted to have a really good time. 00;02;23;05 - 00;02;45;24 Unknown We wanted to teach people. We wanted to really, you know, dive into the evidence and, and make a positive change in our, our community. So I, I'm so happy to be here. Thank you so much for having us and letting us share our stories. Of course. Tim, do you want to introduce yourself? Sure. I'm Tim online. I'm the co-founder with Gina. 00;02;45;26 - 00;03;09;25 Unknown Been doing this for over 20 years. I write books, give lectures on it. All that stuff. But, when she and I formed the team was the same thing. We just want to have fun with it. But also always remember that the client and the guest is first. You know, whether that's finding answers or introducing people to the field and the equipment we use and use. 00;03;09;28 - 00;03;14;08 Unknown Always. I always say running a run, an honest investigation. And honestly, that 00;03;14;08 - 00;03;32;20 Unknown so good to be here. Thank you. You're welcome. Sasha. Yeah. Hi. I'm Sasha. I, I've been on the team for, like, about two years now, I think, like, I moved here in 2021, and I found them in November at some point, and I was like, oh, look at this cool team. 00;03;32;20 - 00;03;53;07 Unknown And they let you like, join in and actually do a part of the investigation. Nice. Sounds like what I want. I mean, I've been doing my own like little ghost hunting here and there, but never alone because, as they say, when you go in the woods, take someone with you to sacrifice for later, just in case. 00;03;53;09 - 00;04;16;25 Unknown And it's been great ghost hunting with them and just being able to experience so much more that I haven't been able to experience on my own. So it's like things from, you know, they get chills from walk into a room and I'm over here like, where is it? I don't feel it yet. To the next minute I'm sleeping in the room and I'm like, Gina, could you just come in here for a minute? 00;04;16;27 - 00;04;27;04 Unknown What? So, yeah, it's been great. I love it. It's so much fun. And I can't wait to, like, be saying, as long as Tim, you know, that would be amazing. 00;04;27;06 - 00;04;30;03 Unknown Years and years. 00;04;30;05 - 00;04;37;19 Unknown Anyone that may not be familiar with you guys. Who is afterlife paranormal, and how did your team all kind of come together? 00;04;37;19 - 00;05;03;00 Unknown It was it was basically we as a team, we run a lot of public investigations where people investigate with us. So Jenna and I found each other. When she was coming to events and I realized how committed she was and I really smart, she was about the equipment and just how to run an investigation. So we started just talking and we just came up, brought in from other people we knew 00;05;03;00 - 00;05;04;25 Unknown to to start investigating. 00;05;04;26 - 00;05;08;24 Unknown And we've been doing it for, yes, almost three years now. 00;05;08;24 - 00;05;17;23 Unknown And, it's been fun. You know, we, we do we do more of that. We run experiments also with our investigations. We're trying to look for answers, 00;05;17;23 - 00;05;24;23 Unknown and we're always trying to think outside the box with how we can, you know, look for answers. So it's been fun dealing with the whole team. 00;05;25;00 - 00;05;25;22 Unknown The main great. 00;05;25;22 - 00;05;50;22 Unknown Well, it seems like you guys have a pretty amazing team. And, I've watched a lot of the video clips and stuff that you guys post on Instagram and stuff, and I really like the way that you approach things and how you go into your investigations and I mean, whoever does all of your editing on your videos and stuff too, they they do an amazing job. 00;05;50;25 - 00;05;58;14 Unknown That's Gina, thank you. Oh, I know, that's that's Gina. And, 00;05;58;14 - 00;06;21;04 Unknown The whole face of what people see is because of Gina and Sasha and other people take video, and we all put it together and audio, and the whole face is with Gina and everybody else. I know all the equipment. I'm not the techie computer entity guy. That's just that's I mean, that's that's the ladies. They do a wonderful job with that. 00;06;21;04 - 00;06;45;13 Unknown Yeah, we try to have fun with it. You know, when it comes to investigations, we always have a camera rolling. You know, we always have multiple cameras rolling. Really. And we oftentimes will share our videos with each other. So that we can look through the videos, obviously to do some evidence review, but also, you know, share what we're doing with with everybody else, you know, we want to present our evidence and we're always welcome to, you know, skepticism. 00;06;45;13 - 00;07;10;20 Unknown And we want people to look at our videos. And hey, if you debunk something, let us know, do you hear this? What we think we hear. And I, you know, personally, I love making videos. I started actually around, you know, I got into making reels and videos around, Covid and for my job and I had to do everything virtually and I said, all right, well, I guess we're jumping into these waters, you know, face first because I didn't know what I was doing. 00;07;10;23 - 00;07;35;19 Unknown And I kind of had to learn through that whole, you know, dumpster fire situation. But the cool thing was, is that, you know, around that time is when, you know, videos were really taking off on Instagram and, you know, getting, getting to know how to use these apps and, you know, kind of putting every all our highlights together really was, for, at least in my opinion, something that helps us, you know, puts us in a place where we want to be. 00;07;35;19 - 00;07;56;28 Unknown We want to share our videos. We want to share our evidence. We want to share what we do. We we are all very passionate about paranormal. And also, you know, we like to have fun too. So a lot of times we'll post a little goofy videos and, you know, I carry around a ghost costume in my equipment case and, you know, whenever the mood strikes, somebody puts it on and we'll, like, do a stupid little dance and it lightens the night. 00;07;56;28 - 00;07;59;14 Unknown And also, you know, we're having fun. So 00;07;59;14 - 00;08;06;09 Unknown that's amazing, I love that. So what originally drew each of you into 00;08;06;11 - 00;08;09;06 Unknown the paranormal and doing investigations and stuff? 00;08;09;06 - 00;08;25;02 Unknown Well, for me it was just like, okay, so I got into horror movies by the time I was 12, and a lot of that had sci fi, aliens, anything monster related, you know, cryptids, whatever it was. 00;08;25;02 - 00;08;46;10 Unknown Sasquatch, I mean, I lived in Seattle before this, and that was huge everywhere. Everybody was obsessed with Sasquatch trying to find him. And then you got the Florida Sasquatch, skunk ape. So then everybody's trying to search for it down here, too. So it's very, like, fun to see the two different signs as well. But it's like, I've always loved looking at the sky and being like, I wonder what's up there? 00;08;46;10 - 00;08;48;02 Unknown And I wonder what could take me with 00;08;48;02 - 00;09;04;14 Unknown them, you know, like I just like, want to go explore different planets and another life. I would have been an astronaut as well. And, you know, people say it's like if you could do something full time at this point, I'm like, I wouldn't mind being a ghost hunter full time or just a paranormal expert in general, because then you could do everything. 00;09;04;14 - 00;09;39;08 Unknown It's just like such a huge variety. So after I started watching scary movies, I just got more and more into stuff. And you watch YouTube, you get down rabbit holes like lizard people. Are they real? Who knows? But it's just like, all of that makes you even more interested. So then you start going out and doing little things to see if you can see stuff like at nighttime going out to this cliff edge where maybe you could see, like all the night sky and what you could see out there and see if you could pinpoint something, or looking through a telescope to then also like maybe trekking in the woods and you hear some 00;09;39;08 - 00;10;01;00 Unknown weird, like screaming and you're like, oh my God. But then you just realize it's one of those like cat, like mountain lion things. Like they scream like witches that are, like very creepy, actually. Watch a video about that. That stuff is. Well, but it's not always it goes. Sometimes it's some animal making a very creepy noise and there's a bird out there, and they can sound just like a person. 00;10;01;02 - 00;10;19;20 Unknown You just got to watch out. But it's cool too. So like that all got me into it. So when I started ghost hunting, I was like, oh, this is fun. But the people I was with at the time were like, no, I don't want to go into that basement. Sasha. And I was like, okay, well, I don't want to go by myself, so maybe I won't either. 00;10;19;22 - 00;10;29;29 Unknown You know? Yeah. What, like the animal sounds and stuff. We live in a lake community, so we're out in the country, and, 00;10;30;05 - 00;10;45;26 Unknown it's like cabin type house of somewhere year round people. Others are just seasonal. And when we first moved out here, it sounded like a woman was getting murdered outside. And you could hear everybody, like, outside, like, what is this? 00;10;45;26 - 00;11;09;20 Unknown What is that? And ended up being a fox a just. Yeah. And it literally sounded like a woman was being murdered. It was insane. I'd never heard anything like that before in my life. Yes. Yeah. Like down near the Florida panther. Sounds like the woman screaming. Maybe it was that one. Yeah, because I was raised on it. We had a ranch when I was a kid on the skirts that are glades, 00;11;09;20 - 00;11;11;28 Unknown and we deer and my dad, you know, it's just a panther. 00;11;11;28 - 00;11;19;27 Unknown No, no one's out there. I'll run out there. All right? Yeah, yeah. Don't be panther food. Yeah, yeah. Oh. 00;11;20;00 - 00;11;33;12 Unknown come on, Gina. Oh, well, for me, you know, getting involved in all of this, I grew up in my my earliest memories, upstate New York. I lived in a really cool town, you know, off the off the Hudson River. 00;11;33;15 - 00;11;49;18 Unknown And my father would tell me and my brother ghost stories. We would sit around, you know, the fire. You know, we had a fireplace in the house. And then a lot of times, if we were taking a long drive somewhere, he would make up these ghost stories and he would insert us into the ghost stories, like, as characters. 00;11;49;20 - 00;12;11;15 Unknown And I just, you know, I always loved consuming content of spooky stuff. I was really big into reading, like the goosebumps books and, you know, watching scary movies. And I just always loved, you know, just the idea of having the experience. I was always just very open to it. And then when my family moved to Florida, we actually moved into a haunted house unknowingly. 00;12;11;18 - 00;12;30;02 Unknown And, you know, I had some experiences growing up in that house, and it really kind of drove me to just this fascination with it. I didn't understand it, but I was so fascinated by it. And of course, you know, when ghost Adventures came out, I was a Ghost Adventures junkie, and I would watch every episode. I was so curious. 00;12;30;09 - 00;12;47;09 Unknown I learned about all the equipment through that show, and even though I never picked this stuff up in person, I knew how everything worked. I knew who made the stuff, I knew all the ins and outs. So when I finally got a chance to, I actually joined an event that Tim was running. I was geeking out with Tim about all this equipment. 00;12;47;09 - 00;13;06;24 Unknown I'm like, oh, that's an obvious oh, that's a millimeter. No, that was so excited. And, you know, just made that connection. But it really kind of, you know, I've always wanted to have a paranormal experience. And, you know, I've never seen a ghost with my own eyes, but I've experienced, you know, voices and, you know, temperature changes. 00;13;06;24 - 00;13;24;23 Unknown I've been touched. And it's it's such an interesting experience. And everybody always asked me, oh, you know, how are you not running out of the room? You know, and for me, it's it's like an adrenaline rush. I get so excited that I just want to, you know, turn my phone, you know, the video on, on my phone and film something. 00;13;24;23 - 00;13;45;16 Unknown You know, I'm not going to be running out the door. And it's it's just it's a wild ride. And I. Absolutely. I'm so happy and thankful that I found my people because I think, you know, like I even mentioned, you know, you're interested in something, but not everybody else is interested in that. And it's such a cool feeling when you meet those like minded people that you can connect with and, you know, share those adventures. 00;13;45;19 - 00;13;46;12 Unknown I love it. 00;13;46;15 - 00;13;47;08 Unknown so me, 00;13;47;14 - 00;14;02;00 Unknown I never I always tell people I never had, like, grandma standing at my bed, you know. No, no, nothing like that. It was just I'm a retired paramedic in Miami, so. And I worked in one of the biggest trauma hospitals. So I saw a lot of death over the years. 00;14;02;02 - 00;14;04;28 Unknown And I was kind of like a science nerd when I was a kid. 00;14;05;01 - 00;14;14;25 Unknown So I started saying about the law of physics, energy isn't destroyed or created transferred. So I started thinking about, you know, there's gotta be something more than just plopping someone in the ground. 00;14;14;27 - 00;14;20;13 Unknown And back then when I started, Ghost Hunters was just starting out, so there weren't a lot of teams around. 00;14;20;15 - 00;14;21;14 Unknown Equipment. 00;14;21;17 - 00;14;28;25 Unknown So I just started investigating one guy, you know, like, oh. Obviously I remember the old elf meter. It was like the first EMF meter. 00;14;28;27 - 00;14;32;11 Unknown It's ancient. I started out with that, 00;14;32;18 - 00;14;34;00 Unknown Danny powder 00;14;34;03 - 00;14;36;11 Unknown dowsing was just the basic stuff. 00;14;36;14 - 00;14;43;09 Unknown But then once, once, I kind of left myself open to maybe something out there, then 00;14;43;12 - 00;14;48;29 Unknown every now and then, the medics, we were supposed to take the bodies in the morgue if the transportation was busy. 00;14;49;02 - 00;14;55;21 Unknown So I started kind of myself up to the possibility that I got my hair curled a few times, heard my name. 00;14;55;24 - 00;15;11;28 Unknown So I always tell people that I go, you know, if you just leave yourself open to the possibility you might experience something, you know, it's I'm not saying you'll get attached, but I always put it to like, if I'm sitting at a bar and I see a pretty girl across the room and she doesn't smile at me, 00;15;12;04 - 00;15;12;14 Unknown you know? 00;15;12;19 - 00;15;23;23 Unknown if she smiles herself, she may want to talk. So I so I'm thinking about the spirits. If they think that you want to make a contact, they make a, you know, like I might actually believe her around. Let's see if we can reach out to them. 00;15;23;23 - 00;15;25;07 Unknown And from then on, it was just 00;15;25;10 - 00;15;29;10 Unknown every time a piece of equipment would come out, I would just buy it and just learn. 00;15;29;13 - 00;15;47;10 Unknown And over the years, it's been kind of cool to watch, the excitement of people. Guest. Especially when you get a new person as an experience, a team member, or I guess it's kind of fun to watch because they just give bubbly like, oh my God, some girl ran into a room. She was on a team, girl named Linda years ago. 00;15;47;12 - 00;16;01;04 Unknown And she ran and she was like, shaking, all excited. I was Holy shit. I saw an apparition in the little room. I go, oh, yeah, the one by the boat. Yeah. He wanders around all the time. But then it's kind of fun to watch 00;16;01;07 - 00;16;07;03 Unknown G9 source and the team, how they grow and how their excitement is reached out to guest. 00;16;07;05 - 00;16;21;22 Unknown And they're seeing the paranormal not as scary anymore or not as like what they see on TV. Everything's demonic. It's like, oh, that's pretty cool. You know, there's an experience we can get and we don't have to really worry about, you know, being scared about it. 00;16;22;00 - 00;16;30;17 Unknown So it's been fun. You know, it's it's and it's fun to watch, you know, grow with the team and the ladies and everything and meet new people who, 00;16;30;19 - 00;16;34;03 Unknown years ago used to be either people thought you were crazy 00;16;34;06 - 00;16;34;23 Unknown or 00;16;34;29 - 00;16;36;07 Unknown there was a religious side. 00;16;36;07 - 00;16;38;03 Unknown You know, it's they're all you know, they're all 00;16;38;06 - 00;16;56;06 Unknown devils. It's all changed. So, you know, when you bring it in, you talk about people like, that's pretty cool. Let me tell you my experience. I wanted to do that. It's really changed over the years, the public's outlook on it. It's no longer only demons are you're crazy. It's like, wow, let me tell you my story. 00;16;56;08 - 00;16;59;18 Unknown So it's been cool to watch the whole field just grow 00;16;59;21 - 00;17;00;19 Unknown and keep growing. 00;17;00;20 - 00;17;24;04 Unknown Oh for sure. It's it's not like such a taboo anymore. A lot of people are open to sharing their experiences or things that they have heard go bump in the night, and a lot of people don't just keep it, you know, to themselves and in fear of them thinking they're crazy or something that's like, well, I tell her, I tell team mom, that's the guys go. 00;17;24;07 - 00;17;28;04 Unknown Don't be afraid to talk about it, because you might be that one person in their life 00;17;28;06 - 00;17;32;21 Unknown that they've been looking for their whole life to tell them this really cool story that happened to them. 00;17;32;24 - 00;17;37;02 Unknown So it's no longer taboo. Like you said, it's like people are just into it now. 00;17;37;02 - 00;17;42;20 Unknown Yeah. I am one of those that I grew up in, a home that was very haunted. 00;17;42;22 - 00;18;11;22 Unknown But as I grew into adulthood, I started, you know, telling myself, well, was it just an overactive imagination was, you know, did this stuff actually really happen? But I had a friend that I grew up with that shared a lot of the same experiences. So I'm like, well, we both couldn't have been imagining it. And I had a ghost follow me home from work at one point, and I was I didn't sleep for days. 00;18;11;22 - 00;18;38;13 Unknown And so I've always been one that has been terrified and I've kind of closed myself off to it. But in the recent years, I've been trying to be more open to it, and we actually just recently are the last couple of years we met a local paranormal team, and we actually went on an on an actual and and oh my goodness, I can't see an actual investigation with them. 00;18;38;13 - 00;18;41;07 Unknown In Iowa, we went to Malvern Manor 00;18;41;07 - 00;19;07;06 Unknown and so we did a private investigation with them on Friday night. And then they had a fundraising event on Saturday night. And when we went in there, I was scared to death. I was like, I am going to be sitting in the car running back to there. I really wanted to embrace it though, because I really wanted to experience that and face my fears with it, and I think I actually did pretty good. 00;19;07;06 - 00;19;32;12 Unknown I when we first got there, we were sitting in kind of like, the only room that had heat because this was in November. So it was cold and I felt like my head was like in a pressure vise. And I was talking to their team, as Tiffany, a medium or a psychic or I can't remember. Jeremy, can you? 00;19;32;14 - 00;19;52;04 Unknown I think I'm medium, a medium. Yeah, well, she was kind of asking me if I was okay. She's like, I feel I'm seeing something, like, heavy here. And I told her, I said, as I'm talking to you, it almost feels like I have tunnel vision going on. And so she's like, let's take you outside, let's do a quick cleansing. 00;19;52;06 - 00;20;07;29 Unknown And then she gave me a stone. I don't remember what kind of stone it was. It was on a necklace to wear, kind of for a little bit of protection. She goes, I just, I just want you to be safe and be okay. And after she did that, I felt better. And then I tried doing an Estus method. 00;20;08;01 - 00;20;30;12 Unknown And while I was under on the Estus method, I, like I said, it was cold in there, so I had a heated jacket on. I had a hat on everything while while I was under I kept feeling like somebody was pulling my hair, like at the top of my head. And so I kept going like this. And I'm like, I feel like someone is pulling my hair. 00;20;30;19 - 00;20;56;08 Unknown And then come to find out, the room I was sitting outside of, there was a woman that had a can't remember what the distorted part is. It trypophobia where they pull their hair out? Oh, I know what you're talking about. Yeah. So that the woman that was her husband committed her there. She was one that was very vain and would always sit in front of the mirror and stuff. 00;20;56;10 - 00;20;59;09 Unknown And she got so kind of 00;20;59;11 - 00;21;22;02 Unknown out of it. She started pulling her hair and I was in the room that that had happened. And I guess other people have had that feeling or something as well, but I didn't know that. So it was kind of crazy. And we kind of went around and did some other, you know, investigating ourselves and sat in rooms we haven't gone through everything yet to see. 00;21;22;03 - 00;21;49;21 Unknown Like if we caught anything on the recorders or on some of the other film and stuff, but you really couldn't run because we rented a haunted, Airbnb. It. Yeah. And, I know you're stuck. Yeah, I was stuck at church. That's cool. Yes, it will. You recall, it was an artist that bought it, and it was an old Presbyterian church and Key Hole chapel area. 00;21;49;21 - 00;22;07;27 Unknown He painted in this beautiful mural. And at night we you go on up there and he had, like, black lights in there, which made it just even illuminate even just I mean, it was gorgeous. Oh, have to send you guys pictures of it, but yeah, we're going to use like that for our first paint. So it kind of glowed. 00;22;07;29 - 00;22;17;22 Unknown Yeah. So, so beautiful. And we slept in the old pastor's room. 00;22;17;24 - 00;22;41;22 Unknown So, like, you had a fun time dead. I mean, nothing really happened at the church, which I was okay with, but, for my first, like, our for our first real investigation, it was fun. I actually enjoyed it. I'm not, like, petrified to go on another one. So in the now we have, you know, Midwest paranormal. Our Midwest spirit seekers is close by. 00;22;41;22 - 00;23;02;28 Unknown And they've said that we could go on other investigations with them too. And we've actually become very good friends with them. So it's been a lot of fun. Cool. Yeah. Cool. That's awesome. Yeah. And then Jeremy is kind of a skeptic. He has never had an experience. He won't have that. That's why we're together. 00;23;03;00 - 00;23;32;18 Unknown He definitely wants to, but he just has never had an experience. Do you want to talk about, your Estes method at all? No. No, I have, what happened? Well, they basically just told me to say whatever was coming across them. All I heard was. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Oh, I made noises like that. That sounds like some words there. 00;23;32;18 - 00;23;53;22 Unknown Yeah, yeah. I didn't hear any words. Hey, sometimes you get words, sometimes you get silence. I've definitely sat there before. Just like, for, like, ten minutes straight, and they're just like, she can't really say anything. And I'm just like, I'm focused. Guys, just leave me in here for like, an hour. Maybe I'll catch something by that. Get some good laughs out of it. 00;23;53;24 - 00;24;20;22 Unknown Yeah. There you go. Did you make those noises then? Did you go, okay. That was it. One of them. Yippee cares. Oh, I love that. Oh, like you're very good. Oh that's awesome. That's cool. But it was a fun experience. We're going to be going back there in November again. They're they do a fundraiser for type two diabetes every year. 00;24;20;27 - 00;24;48;16 Unknown Their son has type two diabetes. And, next year we're going to help them do the whole fundraiser and event and stuff. So we're pretty excited. That sounds awesome. Yeah. It wouldn't the place itself wasn't as active as I've seen in other videos and stuff, and we actually know a few other people that have actually been there and had some pretty weird things happen, but I think it was just the fact that there was it was so 00;24;48;16 - 00;24;52;08 Unknown especially Saturday night, there was so many people there for the event. 00;24;52;08 - 00;25;17;26 Unknown It was just too much noise pollution. And what was there? Probably like 80 people had. There was a lot. And it was a it's a big it's a big place. But noises carry and those old place. Yeah. I mean, I think it was, what, 10,000ft²? So a pretty big room, but creepy. Creepy as hell. Well, at least you got it done with. 00;25;17;26 - 00;25;38;27 Unknown And now you're, like, open. More open to the idea, right? Right. Yes, definitely. I I'm definitely looking forward to going back and going to do other investigations. I'm not as scared as I was as I was, but would I go and sit in a room by myself yet? I don't know, in the dark while you're with the recorder? 00;25;38;29 - 00;25;58;19 Unknown Yeah. Yeah. I love doing that to new people. I'm like, okay, take this recorder and go sit in that closet. We'll be out here. Yeah, I will come back and get you a little bit longer. So people oblige. Yeah. They go really? Yeah. Because like the closets we deal with since there's a store, they're all tiny little closets. 00;25;58;19 - 00;26;18;13 Unknown So unless you get a scrunch down in there and don't be careful standing up, you'll hit your head on the nails. So it's really a tight place. But a lot of them. I'm just. Yeah. Can I go on? Yeah. Going in there. Have a good time. Yeah, yeah. Not me. Jeremy was already. They had this, attic, that space that you could get to. 00;26;18;13 - 00;26;45;04 Unknown And it was creepy going up there. I mean, so it was like this really super narrow. Yeah. Stairwell and little teeny tiny stairs. And then you got up there, and then you could still see, like, the fire damage and stuff, that there was a fire that happened there, and somebody was killed in the fire up there, but there was like holes and crawl spaces that went over, like the whole building and stuff. 00;26;45;04 - 00;27;07;05 Unknown And Jeremy's like, I'll go in there. I'm like, you're thinking, they're all about fun. You know, you see a lot of urban explorers. Amen. If you've noticed, there's a lot of male urban explorers. They're like, oh, I just, like, put my foot in some of this, water that could possibly have a brain eating amoeba, but it's fine. 00;27;07;06 - 00;27;30;02 Unknown It's fine. But, or so with you guys. I know you've investigated a lot of different places and stuff. Is there any place that, resonates with any or any or all of you that affected you the most? Maybe not just scared you, but really stuck with you afterwards? 00;27;30;04 - 00;27;30;28 Unknown Well, goji, 00;27;30;28 - 00;27;34;02 Unknown for me, I think one of the most 00;27;34;02 - 00;27;41;10 Unknown like a location that affected me the most is the Soro Weed house in Savannah. 00;27;41;10 - 00;28;00;05 Unknown And I did that with my husband and it's been on a bunch of it's been on Ghost Hunters, it's been on Ghost Adventures, it's been on Kindred Spirits, it's been on every show. And it's your, you know, quintessential horror house. You know, it was a mansion and there was a doctor that was doing weird experiments in the basement. 00;28;00;07 - 00;28;22;22 Unknown You know, he had some sort of affair with an enslaved woman. His wife caught him. The wife jumped off the roof. The enslaved woman was found killed later on. It just, you know, it sounds like something made for Hollywood, but it really happened. And you can actually go and investigate in this house and I, I did an investigation there, and I had a very open mind. 00;28;22;22 - 00;28;47;25 Unknown I was thinking, you know, wow, this place is, you know, pretty dark. And I had on the way out in the last, the last area we investigated was the carriage house, which was where all of the enslaved people lived. And the docent, as she led us into this building, she sort of said, hey, guys, you know, it was just, you know, my husband and I and another couple and, you know, she said basically, you know, this was a really light space. 00;28;47;25 - 00;29;03;05 Unknown This was a very happy place. This was a place everybody got together after the end of a long day. They would sing, they would cook, they would have a good time together. So please keep it light. Don't ask questions. And you know, bring up anything about death. You know, she's like, just keep it light and you'll get good interaction. 00;29;03;07 - 00;29;26;24 Unknown And we were investigating and we had the idea to sing and I thought, you know, my husband's the singer. I said, you know, maybe, maybe why don't you sing a blues song? There's something kind of cool. And I asked him to sing Blue Suede Shoes. And as he was singing the song, we got voice after voice after voice, in my opinion, that we're intelligent voices through the spirit box. 00;29;26;27 - 00;29;48;17 Unknown We had a, what sounded like a woman humming along, and then we had what sounded like an older man say, I don't trust him. And then immediately later, either a female or a child, like a very light sounding voice, was like, oh, no, he's good. Like it was. It was back to back to back. And it was such an interesting experience. 00;29;48;17 - 00;30;06;08 Unknown And I really do feel like we had a connection, and I sort of had this place built up in my mind, like I have, you know, I really wanted to experience something there. And I was kind of upset because I had gone the whole night and nothing happened. And this was like in the last 20 minutes of being there, you know, and it was such a profound experience. 00;30;06;08 - 00;30;17;16 Unknown And I will never forget it. It was definitely one of my favorite places that really did leave a lasting impact on me. I guess the one ghost must not have been an Elvis fan then, 00;30;17;19 - 00;30;32;02 Unknown I was just thinking, like a bluesy kind of song, you know? Like we didn't know any songs that they would have known, but, you know, something that they might have been able to tap their toes too, you know? Oh, yeah. Great. Elvis isn't for everybody, but. 00;30;32;05 - 00;30;53;08 Unknown Well. I'm sorry. Go ahead. Jim. Oh oh. Oh, good. Okay. Well, I would say mine have been sometimes scattered, depending on investigations, but the most memorable one would probably be at the Seminole Inn. Still, to me, like that is still because I actually spent the night in the room that we found to be the most haunted. 00;30;53;10 - 00;31;10;18 Unknown And so each room had a different theme there. It's 30 minutes away from, like Stuart, Florida, and even, I think West Palm Beach, Florida. It's pretty 30 minutes away from a lot of them because it's right in the middle where like kind of you get closer to Okeechobee. So, it was super close for me to get to. 00;31;10;18 - 00;31;30;18 Unknown It's very like bare. There's not much going on, but there's a cool little parrot there as well, which we had to watch out for because we would do recordings. And that parrot would be like, wait, is that a person or is that the parrot repeating something Gina said because he was in love with her. So, you know. But then we went into we have 3 or 4 different rooms. 00;31;30;18 - 00;31;48;16 Unknown I don't remember if it was 3 or 4, it was maybe four. Okay. Because we had Gina's room, which was kind of like princess themed. There wasn't much going on in there, and probably because they all were pretty happy. And then we had like A room by the sea that Tim had, which was a suite that would have some stuff. 00;31;48;16 - 00;32;05;22 Unknown I wouldn't say it was anything that made me go, whoa, I want to sleep in here. And then we had a room like me and another girl, but that one was like a bird kind of room. There was like birds on some of them, like walls and pictures. But that one had been get really anything either. And then there was the last one, and that one was its own little nook. 00;32;05;22 - 00;32;26;29 Unknown There was only one room across the hall. Other than that, it was like a laundry room next to you. So not enough to make what I heard happen. So I see that this drawer keeps opening in the, room that's a part of obviously, dresser. And it's only one drawer. And we even got comments going. Oh, well, it's on a rotary. 00;32;26;29 - 00;32;43;03 Unknown It probably just moves back and forth. Whatever. But why was it that sometimes we would leave the room? It had moved out at all, and then all of a sudden it was out when we got back or were in the room, we're saying, hey, come on, open the drawer. It's like, now I don't want to open it for over like half an hour. 00;32;43;10 - 00;33;04;15 Unknown But then the next minute opens like three times in a row. You're like, oh, okay. So they are deciding when they want to open it. We left like, recorder in there when we left the room and we came back and we could hear on it like they're coming back and we're like, oh, like, okay. So I was like, okay, guys, I want to spend a night here. 00;33;04;15 - 00;33;21;16 Unknown If nobody else wants to. So then I'm like getting ready for bed. And this is when I start getting shivers or like, goosebumps all over my body, because every time I had the REM pod, one of their REM pods, which is I don't know if you guys know, but it's like the circular device that has a little antenna and it goes off with a red light. 00;33;21;16 - 00;33;40;19 Unknown Oh, I think she's grabbing something. Yes. Okay. Awesome. So yeah. So it every time I answered some I was doing like like questions like, hey, I'm brushing my teeth that you guys are like miss brushing your teeth. Beep. I'm like okay, things turn it off again. And then it would turn off and I'd be like, oh, here's me without makeup on. 00;33;40;19 - 00;34;02;07 Unknown I know you thought, I just look like that, but dear, put on makeup. Beep! I'm like, okay. And then it's like every other second. But every time I ask a question, it would do it and it would listen like the spirit. Listen when I said, oh, can you turn it off pretty fast though? The other weird part was, then I started being like, okay, I'm going to get ready for bed right now. 00;34;02;07 - 00;34;19;09 Unknown I'm like, don't look at me, okay? I'm trying to get ready. Beep beep beep beep beep beep beep. I'm like, hey, I got it. So then I'm like, okay, now I'm getting goosebumps. I feel like there's a selector in here. So I'm like, Hey, Gina, do you want to like, come over for a minute and just like, hang out with me? 00;34;19;14 - 00;34;38;01 Unknown So she comes and hangs out. We watched the door doesn't open at all for like, I don't know. She was there for almost an hour and it didn't open until right before she left. I was like, son of a. But of course the REM pod didn't go off at all. I'm like, oh, okay. I see how it is making me feel crazy of course. 00;34;38;04 - 00;35;06;02 Unknown So then I Gina leaves and she's like, I'm going to go to bed. But before she leaves, she had to say one nice thing, you know, do you see that, like dark space over there by the closet? Does it feel like someone's looking at you? I'm like, oh, what? Okay. Good night. Okay. Good night. So it's like, you know, almost 1:00 am, and I'm, like, not going to sleep yet, and I'm just looking at the little curtain and I'm like, all right. 00;35;06;02 - 00;35;23;03 Unknown We're just not going to look how we're going to turn this way to sleep. And then I try to go to bed and I'm like, okay, sleepy time. But then I start hearing a tap, tap, tap, tap sound and like, I didn't hear the sound before. And then I was like, what the fuck? So I go outside, check around. 00;35;23;06 - 00;35;40;24 Unknown Laundry is not going on. So I'm like, okay, somebody is somebody up in here trying to be like, hey, Sasha, I'm not done talking. Yeah. So I was like, trying to go to bed and I go, hey, I will wake up early. I'll set my alarm, make sure I'm up by ten, because check out at 11, we can talk at that point. 00;35;41;00 - 00;36;09;05 Unknown But let me just go to sleep and please stop tapping. So they stop. And I was like, okay, all right, go to sleep at some point with the lights on because Gina. So then I wake up at 1130, I'm like, this freaking phone alarm didn't go off. I had it up loud as heck so I could make sure I checked my phone and the first thing I see is alarm couldn't be turned on because volume was too low. 00;36;09;07 - 00;36;20;10 Unknown I, I know I did not turn down that volume, so at that point I went, hey guys, I'm already late. I'll be back someday, I promise. And I scurried out of there. 00;36;20;13 - 00;36;36;07 Unknown we put two Bibles in that drawer in the back of it to try to weight it down. That's right. And we got a lot of growling, too, and stuff in that drawer. I forgot. And I always carry, a level. So I leveled the desk to make sure it was level. 00;36;36;09 - 00;36;41;05 Unknown And actually, Marilla, rem pod was going off by a drawer. So in one time 00;36;41;05 - 00;36;52;17 Unknown inside the door. Yeah, yeah, we put it in. And when the drawer is open, you can see the lights flashing as a drawer is opening. So that was a cool place. Wow. Now 00;36;52;20 - 00;36;53;11 Unknown my was like, 00;36;53;18 - 00;36;58;09 Unknown there's a place we do Gold Coast Railroad and it's just I've been doing it for years 00;36;58;12 - 00;37;05;03 Unknown Like 12 years ago I went out there to do my first events. I was going to do an EVP session to get something that'll promote it, 00;37;05;03 - 00;37;14;14 Unknown and I'm like 11 in the morning. I was get ready to leave and I said, I'm Gary Lee. Know if he was going to sing say so now. And a little boy came on and said, hello, help me 00;37;14;19 - 00;37;19;09 Unknown And then it touched me later because I was in there another time 00;37;19;11 - 00;37;22;11 Unknown and I said something like, I always tell people, 00;37;22;14 - 00;37;24;14 Unknown if you're Adp's are dying out, 00;37;24;16 - 00;37;28;20 Unknown even if there's not a history of the kid, ask about a history, then ask if they're okay. 00;37;28;20 - 00;37;34;08 Unknown So I did. I said as a boy, okay, here. And all of a sudden the EVP was he's happy. 00;37;34;11 - 00;37;44;01 Unknown Then he said it like an attitude, like, you know, mind your own damn business. We got a thing going. And I still hear from the boy every now and then. So I just feel bad that he can't move on like he's 00;37;44;04 - 00;37;51;21 Unknown stuck there. That's always bothered me a little, that he's just kind of stuck there by by this adult start holding on there. 00;37;51;23 - 00;37;53;08 Unknown But I've had places where I've had 00;37;53;08 - 00;38;09;09 Unknown 30 minute EVP session at Old Davey School. I said, wait, Red man, I'm going to go get a chair and sit down. So we went back and forth. You know, what was your favorite color? Horse red. Would you ride bareback? Who's the president and the EVP session? It was back and forth for like 30 minutes. 00;38;09;09 - 00;38;16;00 Unknown So it all depends. Yeah, the kid always bothers me because he's stuck there and we can't move along. I've tried with other people, but 00;38;16;00 - 00;38;17;12 Unknown he's just got some hold on him. 00;38;17;17 - 00;38;28;21 Unknown That's sad. I hear when I hear stuff like that, when there's, like, an overpowering spirit that's holding other spirits from passing on. So that always bothers me. 00;38;28;21 - 00;38;30;20 Unknown not fair? No, 00;38;30;23 - 00;38;35;10 Unknown but he said it with like an attitude, like, you know, mind your own business. We get something going on. 00;38;35;11 - 00;38;45;19 Unknown And that's not good. That was like six years ago. And he still comes to the boy, still comes through every now and then. So he's still there. Well, at least he knows he can communicate with you. 00;38;45;21 - 00;38;49;05 Unknown Yeah, I go by a lot and just I go in the medical car and just yak. 00;38;49;07 - 00;38;57;09 Unknown Hey, man, how are you doing? And we put toys out for them where they're. We'll put bears out and little, you know, cat balls and things and goof on. 00;38;57;11 - 00;38;59;13 Unknown I think we left them that doll one time. 00;38;59;15 - 00;39;00;26 Unknown We found a doll out there. 00;39;00;27 - 00;39;02;23 Unknown Yeah, and we left him a doll. 00;39;02;23 - 00;39;23;15 Unknown So I was at a thrift store the other day, and I saw the female version of Robert Doll. Oh, I heard it was like Roberta. I should at least I've got a picture of it. I'll show you guys here. Have you ever gone and seen Robert the doll? I have not, and I probably will not. 00;39;23;18 - 00;39;26;15 Unknown It was. I did the investigation there. I was pretty intense 00;39;26;15 - 00;39;42;28 Unknown with Robert. I don't know if you can. Oh, yeah. That looks a lot like. Yeah, it's got some nice creepy vibes. Yeah. So I sent it to Jess from Midwest Spirit Seekers and I was like, look, it. I found Roberta and she's like, did you buy it? I'm like, nope. 00;39;42;28 - 00;39;54;14 Unknown She stayed there. And I'm like, yo, what? She likes her home at the thrift store. Yeah, yeah. 00;39;54;16 - 00;40;06;18 Unknown Yeah. I saw that doll that we gave the boy. It's at the house. I still have the not that doll. Yeah, it's a doll. And that doll still here at the house. So he's in the garage or he don't come. Analysis. I, 00;40;06;20 - 00;40;19;10 Unknown he stays in the box. Stefan, that's a good place for that. So have you guys ever investigated a place that you are kind of skeptical? 00;40;19;10 - 00;40;24;20 Unknown If there was really, truly any activity and you left completely convinced. 00;40;24;20 - 00;40;25;22 Unknown Well, you know, 00;40;25;24 - 00;40;27;29 Unknown the replica stool at, 00;40;28;04 - 00;40;34;18 Unknown we do a place called New River Inn and there's a school that was, it's not an actual, it's not the actual building. 00;40;34;21 - 00;40;37;10 Unknown It was built in memorial of 00;40;37;13 - 00;40;40;07 Unknown Ivy Stranahan, the first teacher in Broward. 00;40;40;07 - 00;40;44;15 Unknown So it was actually a building that was built in 1976. 00;40;44;17 - 00;40;48;01 Unknown And I'm always shocked that we did activity in a replica building 00;40;48;04 - 00;40;51;23 Unknown for years. I went to the first time I go, 00;40;51;26 - 00;40;53;29 Unknown there's a rental unit on going on here, 00;40;54;01 - 00;40;54;17 Unknown sure enough, 00;40;54;25 - 00;40;57;00 Unknown and I'm always shocked when we get kids singing. 00;40;57;07 - 00;41;00;23 Unknown What's your favorite subject? Math. You remember your teacher? 00;41;00;23 - 00;41;09;11 Unknown We got Ivy once on the DPS. So for replica building, it's very active. Was it built on the same ground? 00;41;09;13 - 00;41;14;20 Unknown It was brought. It was like a 1976 bicentennial thing, 00;41;14;23 - 00;41;17;08 Unknown and it was brought to the same area. 00;41;17;10 - 00;41;22;18 Unknown But it's it was freshly made. I mean, it's made it it's made in the same design. It looks like an old school. 00;41;22;18 - 00;41;39;06 Unknown If you walk in there. Okay. But unfortunately, the Dade Pines that they use back then is no longer available. So it wasn't made out of the exact wood they had, but it's in the same area. But, you know, we're always I'm always surprised it's still active for being a replica. 00;41;39;07 - 00;41;40;02 Unknown Very cool. 00;41;40;02 - 00;41;40;29 Unknown How about you two? 00;41;40;29 - 00;41;47;05 Unknown I can't think of any because usually when I go into it, I'm like, it's always a place that we have known as haunted. 00;41;47;08 - 00;42;18;24 Unknown Or even when I've done it by myself, I'm like, oh, I know that this has been said to be haunted. I guess there was one time where it was kind of convincing, but I don't know. It wasn't a full like 100%. It's like sometimes you go to a place and you might be new there. And this is what they told me on being on the team is they might just be shy with you and you need to go back several times before you'll actually know for sure if there's anything there, because they just might not be comfortable with you yet, or expressing yourself, or may just not be one of those nights where their energies 00;42;18;24 - 00;42;22;14 Unknown have enough, power to talk to us. 00;42;22;14 - 00;42;23;08 Unknown Make sense? 00;42;23;10 - 00;42;47;11 Unknown About it for me, we have an area. We're actually about to go back and reinvestigate this place. We've been a bunch of times, and, it's called the Devil's Tree. And you might have heard there's a there's one in new Jersey which a lot of people talk about, but we have one in Florida that is it's shocking to me that it's as little known as it is because there was a very, very, very prolific serial killer in in South Florida in the 1970s. 00;42;47;11 - 00;43;08;16 Unknown And if you look this guy up, I actually heard about him for the first time on a podcast called morbid. And basically this guy was operating throughout South Florida, and they got him on like a handful of murders. But they believe that his murder count is much higher. But they were never able to pin all of the, you know, the bodies on, on him. 00;43;08;16 - 00;43;35;12 Unknown But basically his nickname was the hangman. And what he would do is he would he pose? He was a sheriff. He was a, a police officer. And he would see women, young women hitchhiking. And he would he would pick them up and they would say, oh, this is the perfect ride. It's it's a police officer. And he would he would get them in the back of his car, and then he would take them to this wooded area and he would tie them up and he would, you know, do horrible things. 00;43;35;12 - 00;44;01;16 Unknown And this particular tree is it sounds like law. It doesn't sound real, but it is this very dark, creepy tree in the middle of this, you know, wooded area. And it's got like this thing, somebody tried to repair it at some point and put like, it's some sort of synthetic material inside the knot. But, you know, a lot of people supposedly have tried to cut it down. 00;44;01;16 - 00;44;21;06 Unknown Some people have tried to burn it and, you know, it's remains and, you know, it's supposedly very haunted. Well, the first time I went and I investigated this tree, I was with a few other girls, and I knew it was haunted. I knew the whole story, but I did not really, you know, understand the how haunted it was. 00;44;21;08 - 00;44;38;16 Unknown And I was doing an Estes method, you know, like, like you said you were doing. And I decided to sit up against the tree. I sat on one of the large roots, and my back was up against the tree. And I was wearing at the time I was it was summer. So I was wearing a tank top and like a cotton tank top. 00;44;38;19 - 00;44;57;19 Unknown And, you know, I was fine. After the investigation, I went home, I, you know, and I was getting ready for bed and my back felt like it was on fire. And I showed my husband, I said, can you look at my back and see what's wrong with my back? The entire my entire back. And mind you, this was in an area that was covered by a shirt. 00;44;57;19 - 00;45;19;14 Unknown It wasn't like my bare skin was up against the tree. Was completely like red, as if I had sat out in the sun, you know, like I got sunburned or something. And he's like, it's really irritated, you know? It doesn't look good. And it was so bad that I was having chills all night, like, like fever, chills. And the next morning it was completely gone. 00;45;19;16 - 00;45;40;21 Unknown Wow. And I really think that that particular place was, was is evil. And I think that, you know, me being naive about the whole situation, touching the tree, you know, I very quickly, you know, now when I go, I'm not going to touch the tree. No, I'll go no investigate it. But I'm not I'm not going to sit on it. 00;45;40;21 - 00;46;01;25 Unknown I'm not going to stand on it. You know, I'm not going to do any of that. And I think that that for me was was probably like one of the more, you know, unexpected situations that I've ever had. And where is that located? It's in an area called Port Saint Lucie. And so at the time, in the 70s, it was an expansive, wooded area. 00;46;01;28 - 00;46;22;09 Unknown And it kind of the edge of the woods would have led up to a canal. And at the time it was a very large wooded area. But now over time, they've had some new developments come in. So it's actually on the edge of a neighborhood. So what's what kind of sucks about this situation is if you're out investigating, you might see people walking by with their dogs. 00;46;22;09 - 00;46;40;09 Unknown Like, you know, they walk their dogs past the devil's tree. And people are always curious. Last year, you guys investigating? Did you get anything? Can I watch? You know, and it's, It's pretty interesting, but, you know, all the locals know about it, and it's it's kind of weird because they don't have any signage up. There's no. 00;46;40;09 - 00;47;01;08 Unknown I feel like there should be, like, a little memorial or something or like a little plaque, but nothing. I don't think they want people to know that it's there because it might bring the housing value down, since it's so close and they close it after dark. Like, if it gets dark and you're there and they catch you guys at the right time, you will get like in trouble trespassing there. 00;47;01;11 - 00;47;20;22 Unknown There are some people. Yes, who I've, heard before who have gotten in trouble. That's also 30 minutes from me. Yeah, I you are just. I'm still. Yeah. Out of that down. That's the story I hadn't heard before. So we do true crime as well. So I'm gonna have to look into. Yeah. Look it up. It's a he went by the hangman. 00;47;20;22 - 00;47;42;09 Unknown His name is Gerard John Schaefer. And it's just one of those stories that you wonder how it's not as well known as like a Ted Bundy. I mean it's it's a pretty crazy story. Yeah. And there's even other fun facts, like some people think. I think it's an occult do used to like, worship there just because of the deaths of the women. 00;47;42;12 - 00;47;42;24 Unknown Yeah, 00;47;42;25 - 00;48;02;21 Unknown maybe just the same, you know, in a panic, you know? Yeah. But you never know. I've been there several times. And again, I'm a bull in a China shop kind of go centers. I'm like, show me you're there. And everybody else is like, don't. I've already been touched enough. And I'm like, I'm waiting for, I'd be the one. 00;48;02;27 - 00;48;29;10 Unknown Know, you can come over here. Don't show me. Touch her. Don't touch me. I'm good. I don't need to be touched. No, you do not have permission. Have you guys ever had an investigation where you've multiple people on the team have either seen or experienced? There's something pretty incredible happen at the same time, 00;48;29;10 - 00;48;34;15 Unknown like an apparition or, you know, something that's. 00;48;34;17 - 00;48;40;20 Unknown Or like, some pretty compelling evidence, like your most favorite, compelling evidence. 00;48;40;22 - 00;48;57;01 Unknown We have, we've seen, like, shadow figures and stuff, but usually it's not, you know, it's one person will see it, you know, and I think we've a lot of us have seen them and it's, but it's it's always like a split second. You know, and then it's, it's gone. 00;48;57;01 - 00;49;00;02 Unknown Yeah. We've, we've had collective, you know, experiences 00;49;00;05 - 00;49;01;08 Unknown now on locations 00;49;01;14 - 00;49;18;09 Unknown especially recordings too. I feel like, like we've all experienced like, oh, one of the ones in the schoolhouse that it was a good one. I remember I had to keep it. Tim was recording with his awesome recorder and we're like, can we all do it like 3 to 4 people? 00;49;18;09 - 00;49;38;29 Unknown Sometimes it's going on at the same time, so they all get different things. I think his was the only one that got where, just like you heard some things and then like, hey, you hear? And then you hear, I'm here and we're like, oh, what is happening? Oh. So I'm and I'm like, shut up. I'm trying a video because it's like, we got it. 00;49;38;29 - 00;49;49;10 Unknown And it was so exciting. Like we were all like really excited about it. And I remember that moment because we were just like, everybody shouted like it was a football game. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's like that. 00;49;49;13 - 00;49;55;03 Unknown kid. You rarely hear that like two words especially that really go well together. And Tim, you hear stuff all the time. 00;49;55;03 - 00;50;01;10 Unknown He's the best. Yeah I like I like audio. My audio is my favorite. So 00;50;01;13 - 00;50;08;26 Unknown you have to have an ear for it too I mean and when you're listening through, if you're not like listen or watching, 00;50;08;29 - 00;50;10;04 Unknown 00;50;10;04 - 00;50;17;04 Unknown to sound waves. If you're not watching actually physically see them, there's some people that just have that ear that can really pick it up there. 00;50;17;04 - 00;50;21;18 Unknown Well, just because we play back like after 1 or 2 questions, 00;50;21;18 - 00;50;38;05 Unknown just to see if we can build a conversation. So a lot of us, we've got we got accustomed to it where we go and we'll ask, we say, you said like he died, he cried and things like that. So it's not always exact, but, we'll just know were real honest a lot of too. 00;50;38;10 - 00;50;57;22 Unknown I don't know, but it's two words, right? You know, because I, you know, even when I used to post stuff all the time, I was real honest about it. I said, what do you think it says? Because I wanted to feedback. Because everybody is different. And that way it always keeps the evidence transparent. Right? Say what you know and that we do the same thing with us. 00;50;57;22 - 00;51;12;19 Unknown Well, like, what do you say? I don't know, I think it says this. Well, let's wait till we put it on the computer and find out. So we're always trying to figure out, we're always honest about it. And some people I didn't hear nothing. Well yeah. 00;51;12;19 - 00;51;15;09 Unknown So it and it's good and no one's ego's too big to say. 00;51;15;09 - 00;51;42;12 Unknown You sure I think so, but. Yeah, but, you guys got locked in that house. That was a group thing. Oh, yeah. That was, that's that's a great point. Yeah, that was a wild night. It was, this was the team that Tim and I were on previously. And the way we did this was we we have, the history Fort Lauderdale Museum property, and we host events for them. 00;51;42;12 - 00;52;02;00 Unknown We we fundraise for their museum. And once in a while, we get just, like, a fun team night where it's, you know, just us, and we get to investigate on our own. And there was, myself and four other girls were in what is called the Team Cromartie house. And we, as we were, the guys were going into another building. 00;52;02;08 - 00;52;13;11 Unknown The girls went over there and, the caretaker, Dan, was with Tim and he opened the door and let us in. And he said to us, you know, I'm going to, you know, I'm 00;52;13;11 - 00;52;20;15 Unknown going to leave the door open because it's a deadbolt. Just used a little latch key lock. You know, when you go inside, there's like a little latch that goes over. 00;52;20;17 - 00;52;39;06 Unknown He goes, use that. So that way you guys are safe because the the building is in downtown Fort Lauderdale. There's a lot of, you know, drunk people. He's like, it's just safer. You know, I don't want to lock you in. So he actually said that as he's walking away and we're watching him and Tim walk down the street, and then we start investigating. 00;52;39;08 - 00;52;54;26 Unknown And one of the girls wasn't feeling well. And this is a historic house. There's not like a bathroom you can go in and use, you know, and she's feeling sick. And so she's like, I'm just, you know, I'm just going to go outside and get some air because I feel really nauseous. And she goes to try to open the door. 00;52;54;28 - 00;53;09;20 Unknown She can't open the door. And she's she's panicking. She's, you know, she's about to feel sick. So another girl gets up to open the door and she looks at me and she goes, it's locked. And I said, guys, it's not locked. I watched him, he didn't lock it, you know, it must be stuck, you know, just jiggle it. 00;53;09;24 - 00;53;29;15 Unknown And I was like, at that point I'm annoyed because I'm thinking she's sick. One of you needs to open the door. So I get up annoyed because I know that the door is open. So I get up and I look inside the the door jamb and I could see the deadbolt was was engaged. And this. The thing is, you can't open that door without the key. 00;53;29;18 - 00;53;45;20 Unknown Yeah. And that's why he said he he didn't want to lock it. So I'm looking at her. She's looking at me. We're freaking out. And one of the other girls goes, all right, I'm going to call Tim. We didn't have Dan's number. She's like, I'm going to call Tim. And the girl got sick on the floor. She she threw up. 00;53;45;22 - 00;54;06;08 Unknown And it was just such a crazy situation because I could not for the life of me, understand how that deadbolt got locked in place. And Dan, when Dan finally came back, he said, I didn't lock it. And he's the only one with the keys. Oh, so we you know, we were all just sitting there scratching our heads like, how the heck did this happen? 00;54;06;10 - 00;54;25;19 Unknown And then later on that night, we were in a different building where we continued investigating. And we have a like a spirit box portal type of device. And I don't know who asked the question, like, what did you do to the girls? Why did you do that? And it said, locked. Oh no. Yeah, yeah. That was that's a good point. 00;54;25;19 - 00;54;31;22 Unknown And that was something that we all experienced, I guess the best example, because we get a lot of, 00;54;31;25 - 00;54;33;03 Unknown EVP 00;54;33;05 - 00;54;46;14 Unknown and I've gotten a few over there. There's, there's a bathroom upstairs. And I was we always think there's an old man. And to start some, it's always going to get out up there cranky old man. And one time I was up there and I go, hey, and the ladies are here coming tonight. 00;54;46;14 - 00;54;58;22 Unknown What do you think? That always gets there early and I'm always doing stuff. And DVP was pause. I go, oh they're on whores, man. Be nice. You know 00;54;58;24 - 00;55;02;27 Unknown each of these a cranky old guy and he has something against women, I guess I, 00;55;03;00 - 00;55;09;22 Unknown you know, we think it was that spirit that made the girl sick. That's what we think when it was, 00;55;09;25 - 00;55;11;25 Unknown Well, because, I mean, it's a it's 00;55;11;25 - 00;55;15;17 Unknown there's, there's one set of keys to it. And Dan had them 00;55;15;19 - 00;55;17;03 Unknown and it was dead bolted 00;55;17;05 - 00;55;19;08 Unknown and, and asked for a key deadbolt. So I'm like, 00;55;19;08 - 00;55;21;28 Unknown and, and Dan, Dan's very, 00;55;21;29 - 00;55;29;02 Unknown real good about locking doors, but when we're there, he doesn't. So. And these were made old time, so I know he didn't sneak back, 00;55;29;02 - 00;55;30;14 Unknown but yeah, I was I'm like, what happened? 00;55;30;20 - 00;55;52;02 Unknown But the cool thing was it was like two the three of the girls like their first real investigation per se. Playtime. Okay. And they handled it. So cool. You know, most people in freaking out, they're like, even the girls like, wiping the spectacle. That was exciting. And she's like, And I haven't I haven't seen someone throw up in like 15 years. 00;55;52;02 - 00;56;11;04 Unknown So I'm like, that's cool. And they're like, damn, I go, sorry, that's pretty cool. You don't see many people get that much EVP map action where they throw up right there outside their hand to like, pose, like they didn't know in 20 years. Like, that's so exciting. I'm like, yeah, they're like, that was cool. Let's go back. Yeah. 00;56;11;07 - 00;56;20;08 Unknown That's when, you know, I go now. Yeah. They're ready Nate. You know they're good. So they're all in. Alice Cola. 00;56;20;08 - 00;56;25;18 Unknown I had one place where every week. Well, once every two weeks went up to, 00;56;25;18 - 00;56;27;24 Unknown the cemetery, and there's some Muslim 00;56;27;24 - 00;56;30;07 Unknown and I always, always stand on the wall of the mausoleum. 00;56;30;08 - 00;56;45;21 Unknown I looked down and I seen the shadow guy. It stick his head around and I go down and, I go, I gotta go look for him. And everybody. Everybody saw him a couple times. Here they go. You got to do the dance. Yeah, I got to go see if he's there. And I know he's going to be there. 00;56;45;21 - 00;56;49;29 Unknown So I got the flare camera and I'm like, can I go? Okay, we'll play next time I'm here. 00;56;49;29 - 00;57;00;11 Unknown But sometimes, you know, you might not see it together, but people, different team members will see enough and they'll know and they'll go, you got to go look for my guy. Yeah. Go look for that guy. He's down there now. 00;57;00;12 - 00;57;18;21 Unknown We got to go do the walk. We see shadows of the Gold Coast all the time. Same shadow person. That was actually the first place I saw a shadow person. And what's crazy about that property is it's locked down. Because in the same property you have the Miami Zoo, and then you also have the Earth. Is it the Air Space Museum? 00;57;18;21 - 00;57;50;21 Unknown Tim was a naval base. Yeah, it's a naval museum and a prison. So there's no getting in after, you know, they closed down for the day there. There's, you know, they have, you know, gates that they put down. They have security guards that work there. So when I saw a person walk across when we were on this investigation, Donovan, the the, you know, the caretaker of that museum had to look through the cameras because he was concerned that there might actually be somebody on the property because it's, you know, it's secure. 00;57;50;21 - 00;58;08;17 Unknown It's supposed to be secure, you know. So that was that was pretty interesting. But they see what they think it is is their theory is it's a conductor from one of the trains. And people see him walking in and out of the rows of the trains that are parked there. And I think that's probably what I saw was like it was definitely a man, we call it. 00;58;08;17 - 00;58;11;15 Unknown I'll have to send it to you because one of the guests caught a shadow 00;58;11;15 - 00;58;18;25 Unknown on the train. Beautiful shadow person. That's the same guy. And then one night we were there like four in the morning 00;58;18;27 - 00;58;24;25 Unknown and we had it was is me and some other guys. We had one lady with us and she was just there taking pictures. 00;58;24;25 - 00;58;30;03 Unknown And for some reason she goes, I have to go to bathroom. I go, well, it's it's over there. No one's here. 00;58;30;05 - 00;58;35;09 Unknown Can you stand outside? I go, yeah, and she came out of the bathroom. 00;58;35;10 - 00;58;36;17 Unknown Pull up her pants. 00;58;36;20 - 00;58;42;15 Unknown All right. What's wrong with you? She goes, I just heard someone go, hey, I know. Oh, yeah, there's a voice in the bathroom. 00;58;42;23 - 00;58;52;21 Unknown Oh, he's been there. He's been there for years. But a lot of times, like Gino see a shadow and she'll go, oh, you know. Oh, yeah, the guy is always there. 00;58;52;22 - 00;59;02;25 Unknown We might not see it at the moment, but we go to these places so much that we might see the same shadow person different times, and we can describe it to the other person. 00;59;02;27 - 00;59;08;10 Unknown What did it look like? This guy. Yeah. I go yeah, he's always here. He wanders around the bathroom all the time. 00;59;08;12 - 00;59;12;18 Unknown So it's not always collective, but we do see the same spirits. We hear the 00;59;12;18 - 00;59;13;29 Unknown we always get the same, 00;59;13;29 - 00;59;22;07 Unknown tones. You know, we've gone so clear that some people will recognize the voice, not just the word. 00;59;22;09 - 00;59;45;00 Unknown Yeah, I actually did an investigation. It was a random impromptu investigation at a haunted saloon in Daytona, and I caught on EVP of who they thought was a, one of the bartenders who passed away in the back. And it had just happened to like a couple of months prior. And I got this guy's voice on my recorder and they told me to post it. 00;59;45;00 - 00;59;59;12 Unknown They said, oh, please post this video. We want, you know, we would love to direct our, you know, our patrons to watch this. And the guy's daughter reached out to me and she said, that's my dad's voice, like, I know my voice and that's my dad. 00;59;59;14 - 01;00;04;26 Unknown Wow. So like, I think that that is something, you know, and obviously not all voices were going to be able to recognize. 01;00;04;26 - 01;00;29;19 Unknown But right, in certain situations you can absolutely they can be clear enough for you to recognize. And we've been in locations where we've heard the same old man, you know, grumpy old man, we had the same kind of voice in the same place on many occasions. So it's it's really interesting. And, and to me, I think that is one of the strongest types of evidence that you can capture because it's consistently there. 01;00;29;23 - 01;00;49;04 Unknown It's not just like a fluke. Like we heard something in the wind that was coming in from outside, you know, it's the same voice in the same room. So it's pretty cool. And we're very lucky that we have that property. You know, we volunteer for them and we capture evidence when we're doing. We host paranormal events, you know, guests can come in and they learn how to use the equipment and they join us. 01;00;49;07 - 01;01;13;14 Unknown We've had we've gotten great evidence with guests and we've also gotten evidence on our own. And it's it's pretty consistent. I've never been there on a night where nothing happened. You know, it might not be popping off everywhere, but you might. You're going to get something in that in that space. It's pretty cool. Yeah. Well, that does make your evidence all the more compelling too, because you are going into these places multiple times. 01;01;13;16 - 01;01;35;20 Unknown So it's not like it's, it's a one off investigation, like you're saying that. Oh, yeah, we've all seen, you know, most of us or whatever have seen this here. We all have experience this here. Well, we have this EVP this night and this CVP, you know, this night and then another time and they all match the same voice. 01;01;35;20 - 01;01;45;28 Unknown And so that is really that makes it all the more compelling. Yeah. So I did I did Linda's bar. This lady we know she owns a bar 01;01;46;00 - 01;01;48;12 Unknown during the pandemic. I just went down there to play 01;01;48;12 - 01;02;00;16 Unknown and I got this voice. And Linda, whose family owns it, goes, that bitch. I go, who is that? And she pointed at a picture and she goes, that's her. 01;02;00;18 - 01;02;03;24 Unknown And then she called another barmaid and they live nearby. 01;02;03;27 - 01;02;12;22 Unknown And she. I played the EVP shows. That bitch. All right. Yeah. And it turns out this lady was, it's a biker bar. 01;02;12;24 - 01;02;24;24 Unknown So the family owns the business. Dad loved the bar, mate because the bikers loved her, but she kind of knew she could do anything with the family because dad loved her, so she was a bitch. 01;02;24;24 - 01;02;33;19 Unknown She was a real bitch. But. But to two separate people just recognize the voice and their first words out. That bitch, man. I'm like, 01;02;33;21 - 01;02;39;19 Unknown wow, that shit. You know? Then I caught a male 01;02;39;19 - 01;02;48;29 Unknown and the other Barney was there I go. Do you recognize this one as she is? That's Blackie. And Blackie was a biker who lived. 01;02;49;01 - 01;03;06;11 Unknown You know, he would drink all day at the bar and go home. He died of a meth overdose, like, two years prior to Super Bowl party. Just. Yeah. That's Blackie. And then later on, I did it. Investigations say, hey, man, what was your favorite drug use? Meth I got? Hey, Blackie. How are you doing, buddy? Oh, 01;03;06;13 - 01;03;09;07 Unknown yeah, it's it's stuff like that that you go. 01;03;09;08 - 01;03;20;14 Unknown Yeah, there's there's something here. Especially when outsiders pick it up, you know? So, like, you don't feed it to me. I just play here. I get what you think. And that was. That was a gut, knee jerk reaction. 01;03;20;14 - 01;03;34;12 Unknown Wow. So yeah, that is definitely I mean, it doesn't leave for a lot of, skepticism there at all. I saw I like audio work because audio work you can't really mess with right fresh. 01;03;34;14 - 01;03;51;12 Unknown I mean, everything nowadays, all the video and stuff, you can mess with it. People. People expect you to mess with it, right? But if you play him a live, live video or live audio, you caught on an old recorder. They can't be tampered with. And they're like, oh my God, is. 01;03;51;14 - 01;04;02;26 Unknown And it's like with capturing faces and stuff, the human brain is always going to try to find faces and everything that it see. 01;04;02;28 - 01;04;20;11 Unknown So a lot of times, even just, a raw picture that may look like it could just be smudges or something, but the human brain is going to try to turn it into an actual face. Well, even here you have hearing matrix scene two. 01;04;20;13 - 01;04;24;19 Unknown That's why I always ask people, what do you think? Because they might hear some differ, right? 01;04;24;21 - 01;04;40;14 Unknown Like I did one. I thought you said Oliver and when I put it on the web, someone says, no, man, that says, I live here. I go, oh, you're right, it does say I love her. And it was on a house. It was at an old, historic home. 01;04;40;16 - 01;04;43;26 Unknown So that's why. That's why we always try to work with each other. 01;04;43;26 - 01;04;55;03 Unknown Because we try to run everything on us. Right? If we hear something this is Gina. Me, this. I don't think I said that term. Okay. That's cool. And then we'll listen to it on the computer 01;04;55;04 - 01;04;56;05 Unknown and see what it gets. 01;04;56;05 - 01;05;04;00 Unknown See, that's one thing we have to be better at, Jeremy, when we're actually doing the investigations to playback the recorder while we're there. 01;05;04;02 - 01;05;08;10 Unknown Yeah. Otherwise it's in limbo land and we never, 01;05;08;12 - 01;05;17;23 Unknown you know, I would do it again. Yeah, yeah, because we'll listen to it and try to build on the conversation. Right. Did you work here? Yes. What did you do? 01;05;17;23 - 01;05;18;22 Unknown And things like that. 01;05;18;26 - 01;05;25;19 Unknown And when we're doing an event, an event, it's not fair to put down a recorder and go home when it isn't. 01;05;25;19 - 01;05;39;28 Unknown The guests don't get to take part in the investigation. So all the ladies, they're they're great. They they're they're big about that. They're like, yeah, let's play for the guests because they're it's their night. Let's play it for them and see what they say. 01;05;39;29 - 01;05;57;28 Unknown I guess I guess we'll ask some weird questions that you would never think of. So, so I'm going to place I did a place was where Al Capone was thought to be one time, and the lady asked, did you ever have syphilis? And we got a yes. So I'm like, I would have never thought to ask that man. 01;05;57;29 - 01;05;58;19 Unknown No. 01;05;58;26 - 01;06;06;06 Unknown Well, and the one thing that we learned to do when we went to Malvern Manor is you have to be careful about what type of clothing you wear, 01;06;06;06 - 01;06;19;13 Unknown because we're sitting there, we had our jackets on, you know, we were all layered up and I didn't even think of our jackets making noises. So you have to like make sure that you're being like super still. 01;06;19;13 - 01;06;34;19 Unknown And then the more still you're trying to be, the more you end up fidgeting and moving them in your head. So you know you have to be careful of, you know, certain things like that too, because that could come across as something that it's not. 01;06;34;27 - 01;06;42;00 Unknown Yeah I think just having so many people there too, I mean there's 15 people sitting in an eight by eight room you know. 01;06;42;00 - 01;07;04;04 Unknown Yeah we did. Yeah. There was a lot of us sitting in that room. It was constant noise. So I mean playing back a recorder would be pointless because all you're going to hear is breathing, sniffling, sneezing, some other noises probably, the floorboard creaking and they're like, oh, what was that? It was. It was me. It was me. 01;07;04;07 - 01;07;12;12 Unknown It's tough for that many people. Yeah. I just have the habit of carrying a, you know, a pouch, a pocket thing for batteries. 01;07;12;14 - 01;07;14;16 Unknown And once a night I would drop all the batteries. 01;07;14;16 - 01;07;23;05 Unknown Yeah, I leave the zipper open, you know, doo doo doo doo doo. And also on the recording, I go, oh, that was Tim. No. 01;07;23;08 - 01;07;41;10 Unknown But as long as you're honest about it, things happen, you know? Right. Yeah. Like, do you know, tell you I get a gurgling stomach and then all the investigation of it, all that happens to me at all. No. Never does. I have, like 20 cups of coffee, so I'm, like, gurgling and Gino go. That's him. 01;07;41;10 - 01;07;50;08 Unknown That's his stomach again. So, yeah, I'll be fine. Up until point, we start recording and then all of a sudden my stomach goes, 01;07;50;11 - 01;07;55;23 Unknown it's a demon. Okay, it's ten. 01;07;55;26 - 01;08;13;01 Unknown And we've had people, you know, past when you know, you know, when you stall him. Gas for the smell, he goes, we'll just say, y'all. We call it a gasper. We're cool man. Hey, lay off the burritos, bro. So 01;08;13;03 - 01;08;14;05 Unknown I love that. 01;08;14;07 - 01;08;15;00 Unknown That's awesome. 01;08;15;07 - 01;08;25;05 Unknown And you almost have to like it when something like that happens. You almost, if you're not listening to it back right away, it's like, okay, that was me or that guy there. 01;08;25;06 - 01;08;34;17 Unknown Sorry. Yeah. You almost have to call it out to make sure that, you know. Because it's, it is hard going back and reviewing that stuff. 01;08;34;19 - 01;08;35;12 Unknown Yeah. So you didn't like 01;08;35;12 - 01;08;43;04 Unknown even the old cameras, the our cameras, if you put a flashlight near it, it'll click off and you got to like say, oh, that was me, 01;08;43;06 - 01;08;45;05 Unknown because the old bullet fires. 01;08;45;05 - 01;08;48;27 Unknown If you put a flat like you had a flashlight, you go near no click of. 01;08;49;00 - 01;09;02;03 Unknown So you have to say I was me. So you always have to be open to saying, you know, I screwed up, you know, let's move on. Right now. I screw up the most. So Gina and the girls, they keep me in line. They're like, 01;09;02;06 - 01;09;02;12 Unknown yeah. 01;09;02;12 - 01;09;15;00 Unknown We learned we definitely need to get better night vision camcorders because we have a bunch of batteries for them, but they only last like 15 minutes if, if that. It was crazy. 01;09;15;03 - 01;09;29;10 Unknown Maybe they're draining your batteries. Yeah, yeah, well, it could be. Think we only used up the one time, but it was. It seemed like they were going so fast, and it's like we gave up recording after a while when we were walking. 01;09;29;10 - 01;09;33;11 Unknown I'm just like, this is annoying. So, you know, I used my phone and, 01;09;33;14 - 01;09;41;11 Unknown do you have backup batteries that you always bring with you? Because that's the first thing I learned. Yeah, we do always have backup. 01;09;41;14 - 01;09;46;21 Unknown Yeah. The downfall is we had it on, they're like handheld mounts, 01;09;46;28 - 01;09;50;18 Unknown and you have to remove the mount to get to the battery compartment. 01;09;50;19 - 01;10;13;04 Unknown And so it was just. It was too much work. They're not. They are very good cameras. And then I made the mistake of buying generic batteries. Yeah. That's why they only lasts for like ten months. Yeah. We got a lot of batteries I just yeah we have a lot of batteries. Then when we packed up to go there it was like all right, let's pack up everything we've accumulated. 01;10;13;04 - 01;10;27;06 Unknown And our vehicle was full. I was like, this is crazy. And we didn't even use half of that. Ours is like, I assume that's funny because with Gina's stuff and my stuff, it's like. 01;10;27;13 - 01;10;35;12 Unknown It's like it looks like a a roadie coming into a concert. We're, like, rolling down with cases. In cases. In cases? Yeah. He has so much equipment. 01;10;35;12 - 01;10;57;05 Unknown It's it's actually wild. Like, he'll show up with ten cases and people will go, wow, that's so much. I'm like, you haven't seen the other ten cases. You know how it is. So he has so much gear. It is it is absolutely crazy. But it's amazing because everybody gets to try whatever they want. And you know, if there's something I want to buy, I'll say, hey, Tim, do you have one of these lights? 01;10;57;09 - 01;11;11;10 Unknown Can I borrow it so I could learn how to use it before I get some? And he's got it. He's got ten of them. He's like, sure, sure. How many? One. Because I like I always tease people when I put out all my stuff. I go look at all the stuff I have and I still have a life. 01;11;11;12 - 01;11;19;27 Unknown It's so cool. Hahaha hahaha oh my god yes Ram pills. Yeah. Jeremy and I 01;11;20;00 - 01;11;37;29 Unknown We came up with the idea we want to start making some ghost hunting equipment, so we got really cool 3D printer. Oh and so we printed this. The other day and I painted it and we're we haven't decided what we're going to do yet, but I was thinking like, I guess nobody is going to make rampart run pads. 01;11;38;05 - 01;11;57;06 Unknown Yeah. But yeah, it looks like we could do the yes. No, you know, the yes no boxes we can do. I mean, we have so much fun with it, but it was a pretty easy print and then it's got the compartment to put all the lights and everything in. So cool. We're going to have trying to make some of our own. 01;11;57;08 - 01;11;58;03 Unknown I love that 01;11;58;05 - 01;12;02;11 Unknown because I make stuff, but nothing. I don't do electronics stuff I'll make like 01;12;02;18 - 01;12;05;15 Unknown I made a box that's 01;12;05;18 - 01;12;22;22 Unknown EMF proof, like Faraday. Okay. And we put we put dolls in there to see if they're haunted, okay? Because a lot of people, they'll do pictures of dolls on a couch and they're going off the K meters, but, you know, all of a sudden next to it, you don't know if there's a computer tower, right? 01;12;22;22 - 01;12;26;17 Unknown But we did it, and we I, Gina found a nun doll at, 01;12;26;17 - 01;12;27;06 Unknown new River 01;12;27;08 - 01;12;39;22 Unknown that, you know, they had all the dolls on and she was turned on by this nun dog. Like, who the hell would have a nun doll? And she started doing it in the case, and it was going off. So she said, let's try putting it in that box. 01;12;39;22 - 01;12;54;09 Unknown And we, you know, I went up there one night and I made little cardboard pockets to put like k meters and cat balls, and no one was in the room or on the floor. Note the, came in, was going off and the cat ball was going off. 01;12;54;09 - 01;12;56;14 Unknown So. But I'll do anything electronic. 01;12;56;20 - 01;12;57;04 Unknown Now 01;12;57;07 - 01;13;00;22 Unknown I'm not allowed to order it and I'm not allowed to solder in the house. 01;13;00;22 - 01;13;03;05 Unknown That's just, 01;13;03;08 - 01;13;08;11 Unknown Yeah, you're better at it than you think, J nuh Yeah. I'm like, no. 01;13;08;14 - 01;13;13;11 Unknown So how far do you guys normally travel for, calls or ghost, 01;13;13;11 - 01;13;13;26 Unknown hunting 01;13;14;02 - 01;13;15;04 Unknown adventures? 01;13;15;07 - 01;13;35;13 Unknown We travel all over Florida. I would say, you know, we do a lot of, investigating in South Florida, but we also have driven all the way up to, like, the Florida Georgia border there. We did an old jail there. We've driven this, you know, we've done Saint Augustine. We have some friends, on the west coast of Florida, and we do a lot of investigating with them. 01;13;35;13 - 01;14;01;19 Unknown That's like 4 or 5 hours for us. And, you know, we just Florida is great because it's really easy to kind of road trip around. And, you know, there's depending on where you are, there's there's fog and stuff all over the state really. And you know, we're we're very lucky that you know, we we able to we're able to to travel and you know, all of us are you know constantly you know booking new investigations. 01;14;01;19 - 01;14;05;01 Unknown So we we're pretty active. We we go out a couple times a month. 01;14;05;03 - 01;14;05;25 Unknown So 01;14;05;28 - 01;14;21;01 Unknown do you. Yeah I want to start doing more investigations for sure. I'm like so in now the work is good here though, because, you know, six months out of the year, you're hibernating. Oh, yeah. That's hard. I know, I could. Yeah, 01;14;21;03 - 01;14;24;04 Unknown yeah, cause, I mean, I've gone out in torrential downpours. 01;14;24;04 - 01;14;40;10 Unknown We do an investigation. We did a we did the Gold Coast once in a hurricane. Oh, yeah. And I used to live in North Miami. Oh my God. Yeah, you're right in the shed. And a band came through, and we're just common equipment. Okay? 01;14;40;13 - 01;14;43;22 Unknown But I don't know if I'd go in the snow, I might say, well, no, 01;14;43;28 - 01;14;46;09 Unknown no, not right. Like the smaller, easier, 01;14;46;12 - 01;14;47;24 Unknown colder. 01;14;48;00 - 01;14;54;00 Unknown Yeah. Less plus damp. Not like, torrential rain and a hurricane. Oh. Crazy. 01;14;54;00 - 01;15;03;28 Unknown But it's harder to run away in snow than it is in rain if someone's there. That is true. I suppose if it's an abandoned building, you're like, let's look in here, babe. 01;15;03;28 - 01;15;25;16 Unknown And he's like, okay, I'm skeptic anyway. And then all of a sudden someone there and you're like, I see a shadow that's a real person. And I'm running in the snow. No, you won't make it past, It's funny, when we first met, he claims that I told them that I would go to this haunted asylum that was here where we lived. 01;15;25;19 - 01;15;52;01 Unknown You did? And I know there's. Oh, yeah, I would have. What? I was really trying to impress you, I don't work. Oh, saying do that. Never go. Oh, I what's that? You'd never take me there. No. Maybe we we know we need friends to go with us. Yeah. The sacrifices. I don't. 01;15;52;03 - 01;15;59;05 Unknown I don't have to be the the most brave. I just have to be faster than someone else. 01;15;59;08 - 01;16;01;06 Unknown With some pretty rowdy places, 01;16;01;11 - 01;16;10;16 Unknown over the years. Places, you know, like the cops would go. Okay, just be careful. You know, they're like. Because we would just call them, say we're going to show up 01;16;10;19 - 01;16;15;24 Unknown like an old prison. They'll say, okay, just don't fall in a hole. You guys just be careful, okay? 01;16;15;24 - 01;16;17;00 Unknown That would be scary. 01;16;17;06 - 01;16;19;11 Unknown Yeah, because some of those buildings are, 01;16;19;13 - 01;16;38;06 Unknown very much in shambles. I did a place one time. It was so bad. I got there at four. Now, afternoon, I told the, the team, I said, listen, we got to put some plywood down. There's no floor in this place. So we had to literally drag plywood and just make it fast, make it safe to walk around. 01;16;38;09 - 01;16;55;10 Unknown Wow. It was it was an old abandoned building for some reason, the realtor wanted a ghost on to report because she couldn't sell a building because everybody walked into the looking. The building was horrified. I'm like, why didn't they care about the building? They're going to knock it down anyways. There's. 01;16;55;16 - 01;17;02;10 Unknown But you know, we had to. I'd put plywood down everywhere, just all scraps of wood just to make it safe and walk around. 01;17;02;13 - 01;17;17;00 Unknown That's crazy. Yeah, yeah, I know when you're investigating, you want it to be dark. You you don't want to really use a lot of light. And that would be dangerous. It was funny. Like, a week later on the news, I, 01;17;17;00 - 01;17;21;28 Unknown the news report was on, the building was on fire, and I called my my buddy. I go, hey, Bill there. 01;17;22;00 - 01;17;31;14 Unknown They burnt that building down east. No, I go turn on the news, man. And sure enough, someone torched the building, so I guess they couldn't sell it. They just wanted to sell the property. 01;17;31;14 - 01;17;42;20 Unknown So what? What are your guys's thoughts on, like, orbs and stuff? Do you believe in, like, orbs, or do you think it's just like camera or lens flares or. 01;17;42;20 - 01;17;57;18 Unknown There's a lot of reasons to create a natural occurring reasons for orbs that are not paranormal. You know, I would say, you know, Tim, you do a great job of explaining, but I think most orbs are not paranormal. No, I mean, 01;17;57;18 - 01;17;58;15 Unknown to me, 01;17;58;15 - 01;18;06;12 Unknown I always tell people, yo, you know, when I started doing this and we came to your house, you'd have to turn the air off an hour before we got there. 01;18;06;14 - 01;18;12;23 Unknown Or do we catch dust orbs all night? Which sucks in Florida trying to investigate a house in August. 01;18;12;24 - 01;18;29;13 Unknown But I think over the years it's like if an orb is gassy inside, just dismiss it. If it looks like it has its own electrical, remember those old balls you put your hand on it and the electricity. Was supposedly go to your hand. 01;18;29;16 - 01;18;35;21 Unknown Yeah. It shows that. And that might be something because the whole theory is that they're balls of energy. 01;18;35;23 - 01;18;41;08 Unknown So but anything gassy you're like yeah you know let's all worry about that. 01;18;41;08 - 01;18;53;08 Unknown Plus there's so much humidity. You know if you have a light like a flash from a camera and it's flashing on to humid, you know, humidity in the air, you're going to get these little sprinkles of light. 01;18;53;10 - 01;19;18;24 Unknown And it's yeah, I just think it's, you know, people catch them and they automatically think it's paranormal. And it's usually explainable, especially in Florida. We have so much humidity. Yeah. You know, it's it's very, very good chances that or like people will call you know I always tell people I go you go out tonight in Florida in a cemetery and catch a thousand orbs because it's all the humidity if he is in a white flash. 01;19;18;27 - 01;19;47;12 Unknown But the lights we used now are like infrared or north of wireless. I kind of takes out away. Right. And then now we we get calls about security cameras. Oh look at Roddy. Oh now that's a dragonfly. You know, you know, but if they correspond with some other activity, for example, I was contacted by somebody who sent me video of, security video from a, it was like a gym inside a condo and, like, you know, like a community gym inside a condo building. 01;19;47;14 - 01;20;11;13 Unknown And there was orbs appearing in this room, but they also corresponded with noises. So like, you would hear, like, banging. And then all of a sudden, these orbs would start, like, moving through the room. And so you, I think that's interesting because there's more than one thing happening. But you know, now that's a B and B a. Yeah, it could be a number of different things. 01;20;11;20 - 01;20;31;16 Unknown Everything you get, you put into a pile of evidence, you might not have an orb, but like, and you might have a noise or that or so now that goes in that pile of evidence and then maybe you heard a noise at the time. So everything that we get is always just thrown into a pile. And we compared to what they think 01;20;31;16 - 01;20;33;13 Unknown personal feelings are real big. 01;20;33;20 - 01;20;37;21 Unknown You know, it might be you seen the orb and I, yeah. I said a little 01;20;37;21 - 01;20;39;02 Unknown cold spot or I felt 01;20;39;06 - 01;20;46;28 Unknown little nauseous. Well, that's good, that's that. It's not only an orb anymore. She's a piece of evidence thrown into that pile. Right? 01;20;46;28 - 01;20;53;16 Unknown That's that's the that's the important reason to do a full investigation, because that pile of evidence is what you want to go on. 01;20;53;18 - 01;21;23;21 Unknown Oh, for sure. Yeah. Jeremy and I, went with a group of people to the Roth house and Waseca, Illinois, and it's known as the what CTA wonder. And we went there. Half the people wanted a party, half wanted to investigate. So no usable evidence at all in anything that we got. But I was doing an Instagram Live and we had a Geo box going and Jeremy was videoing me and this. 01;21;23;23 - 01;21;54;11 Unknown Do you want to describe what you caught on the camera? Oh, you're so funny. Let me see if I remember it. So I'm recording her. She's talking to, somebody on. Oh, yeah, an Instagram Live. Something basically dirts up to the corner of the ceiling and then shoots over towards me. And then I think it went back around over, back by her. 01;21;54;14 - 01;22;36;29 Unknown And I'm kind of watching it as it's happening and thinking, God damn this. I don't see anything else floating, you know, like just floating, or so I thought. It was kind of cool, but yeah, yeah, like cam is Cool came up behind me and it was like a big glowing like. Or like weird. I mean, it wasn't no bug, you know, no wings flapping or anything, and it was pretty good in size, but it came up and then kind of went down and then like, shot right towards him and, but the other fun thing that we got at that house is Jeremy and I were down in the basement and we were doing a 01;22;36;29 - 01;22;57;06 Unknown REM pod session, and I was recording it, and we went back upstairs and we put the REM pod on the grand piano in the living room. And I was sitting on the couch and, one of the other girls that was really into ghost hunting and stuff, too. I was playing her the video because I was showing her the activity. 01;22;57;08 - 01;23;19;21 Unknown Every time I'd ask a question, the REM pod would go off and we had a ring camera sitting right next to us. Record of the ring camera picked up on our motion and was recording. And so we have me playing the video from the basement, the ring camera picking up the, you know, the whole thing of me showing her this. 01;23;19;24 - 01;23;38;19 Unknown And as we're I'm playing this video, the REM pod on the grand piano starts going off at the same time it did in the video in the basement. So I'd ask a question, and the REM pod in the video would go off and the ram pod in the room would go off. And I'm like, this is crazy. It. 01;23;38;24 - 01;23;42;10 Unknown And then when I was watching this video, I asked, 01;23;42;15 - 01;23;56;16 Unknown in the video, I asked, can you tell us your name? And the ring camera captured what Jeremy says. It sounds like furniture moving, but nothing moved in that room. But it's just sounds like a bra. Like that. 01;23;56;16 - 01;24;07;08 Unknown And it was. There was never any other interference. There was never anything else that anything picked up on other than it just it's did it right afterwards. 01;24;07;08 - 01;24;19;06 Unknown And I'm like, that's so creepy. I can't prove anything with it. But it's creepy. Yeah, but the interaction with the REM pod at the. Yeah, it's the same questions. And then the REM pod died. 01;24;19;08 - 01;24;28;24 Unknown Whoa. Yeah. So it was very cool. So we've had a few little, little things here and there, and that was enough to kind of get me excited. 01;24;28;24 - 01;24;47;08 Unknown But I wouldn't sleep that night. That night I couldn't sleep. Everybody's out called my protector snoring next to me. And I got this feeling, Gwen, how is everyone sleeping all right. Yeah. You slept. You took a nap during the day. You were fine. 01;24;47;11 - 01;24;49;28 Unknown Yeah. Cause, we did, 01;24;50;02 - 01;24;55;00 Unknown they have a toy train museum at the Gold Coast Railroad, and it's monsters. 01;24;55;00 - 01;25;05;25 Unknown And we put a REM pod on this side of a REM pod on that side of the room. And this damn thing always has us chasing it. This room panels are going off. We go over there. This will start going off. We're like 01;25;05;25 - 01;25;12;03 Unknown all right, so it's just another game we play all the time with them, you know, just like the REM pods and do the chase game. 01;25;12;06 - 01;25;15;18 Unknown Do you guys have the chasing lights? The LED lights? Yeah, 01;25;15;18 - 01;25;43;21 Unknown I saw those for the first time when we were at northern, where they were doing a session with the Haunted Doll, and another paranormal team had brought those chasing lights. And it was crazy because there was certain times where all and they would just certain areas would light up, or there was one time they just, you know, they just kind of go back and forth and then all of a sudden they just lit up in a line like somebody was running right down the lights, and I'm like, whoa, I want to get some of those so bad. 01;25;43;23 - 01;25;57;11 Unknown Now we had Lisa. I was at the Caldwell Bar one night, remember? Yeah, yeah, we later it was on a hallway. And it was like 2 or 3 doors and only the lights at one doorway lit up. 01;25;57;14 - 01;25;58;06 Unknown The whole time. 01;25;58;06 - 01;26;11;16 Unknown Very. It's amazing how they work because there was somebody who actually stepped over it and it did, it lit up just where she stepped over and because the whole time they were going on I hadn't seen anything happen. 01;26;11;16 - 01;26;22;11 Unknown And then she stepped over an incense, just that little area. And then shortly thereafter, there was a few times where they just lit up in certain spots. Then it was like from like somebody went running and I'm like, 01;26;22;18 - 01;26;24;28 Unknown that is amazing technology. 01;26;25;01 - 01;26;39;00 Unknown That's cool. But you guys like to sing. We'll put the wire on the bed and a girls room and Gino go, let's sing some like Christmas and Sasha and Gina and everybody was saying, like Christmas songs, and the lights will start going off. 01;26;39;01 - 01;26;58;00 Unknown Wow, that's always fun to do. And they play with the bear and everything when they're singing. I don't sing because they would run away, you know? But yeah, that was actually a guest idea. You know, it's it's really you when you meet people and different people join you in investigations. We had this one lady who is a musician and she's like, have you guys ever tried singing? 01;26;58;02 - 01;27;18;18 Unknown And we said, no. And when we started singing and, you know, we had one time with the Spirit Box, somebody sang along. We were doing Jingle Bells, and then we got a couple like, words from Jingle Bells. And then, we've had, you know, really good luck in the doll room. So it's, it's a lot of fun. 01;27;18;20 - 01;27;21;16 Unknown Yeah. It's fun, it's fun. Use all the tools. Just a 01;27;21;16 - 01;27;26;29 Unknown like we I actually, I put a I k meter the guts of the k meter on a whiskey bottle 01;27;26;29 - 01;27;30;14 Unknown just to see if though. And back in the old days. So I did deer in the state. 01;27;30;14 - 01;27;36;20 Unknown I put a k and a, I came meter on a bottle of Jack and it lit up a few times. 01;27;36;22 - 01;27;42;19 Unknown You want a drink? And it lit up and things like that. Oh, so you make your toys out of anything, you know, 01;27;42;19 - 01;27;47;20 Unknown someone suggested a cigar, and I go, yeah, that's a good idea. Or she writes, I'm like that. 01;27;47;22 - 01;27;52;20 Unknown Yeah, but I keep the whiskey bottle in a box in the back. I don't want the cops pulling me over on me. 01;27;52;22 - 01;28;04;14 Unknown What's when the empty whiskey bottle is for ghost? Oh, okay. Put your hands behind your back. Sure. There's some, 01;28;04;17 - 01;28;19;11 Unknown Yeah. They're not, I had a migraine one night. I was helping, Jeremy's aunt, do some, a deep clean on the house. This was years ago, and I got really sick from the cleaning supplies that she was using. 01;28;19;14 - 01;28;39;01 Unknown And I got pulled over on my way home, and they accused me of drinking, and I was like, I haven't had a lick to drink. I have a migraine. I no feel good. I'd always joked around about, yeah, it'd be funny if you got pulled over if, you know, if you weren't drinking. Well, it wasn't as funny as I thought it would be. 01;28;39;03 - 01;28;58;13 Unknown But, I know years ago, I quit drinking years ago, and some guy introduced me to Sam Pagliaro. Whatever. That green bottle water, it's like. Oh, yes. Oh. Sam Pellegrino. Yes. And I was taking a swig one day and a trooper passed me and he stopped me. 01;28;58;13 - 01;29;03;10 Unknown So from then on, I did it like three other cops. I drive by, a cop, I will, and a stomach. 01;29;03;10 - 01;29;20;20 Unknown I was just water, bro. And he'd be mad as hell. And they walk away. Hahahahaha! Just making sure you're paying attention, not you're looking for Heineken. Nah man, it's just water. Sorry, man. 01;29;20;23 - 01;29;27;00 Unknown But yeah, you can make a tree or toy out of anything that's, you know, you just have to think what they did back then, right? 01;29;27;01 - 01;29;49;13 Unknown Because a lot of the things that we have in this day and age, and the technology is something that a lot of, you know, spirits from like the 1800s, early 1900s, that's something that they've never seen. Yeah. That's what I tell people when you sit down, something, you got to explain it. If you want to play the game, show them the toys. 01;29;49;15 - 01;30;06;03 Unknown Like you put down a REM pod. You say, okay, if you come near this, it'll light up, right? They've never seen a run, buddy. What the hell is that? Right? Or. Or if you walk in to, like, an old place, you go, hey, what's your favorite Xbox streamer like? What else? An Xbox, man. Now it's like 01;30;06;06 - 01;30;08;11 Unknown you have to believe in telephones. 01;30;08;14 - 01;30;10;26 Unknown A lot of, you know, phones weren't around for 01;30;10;26 - 01;30;14;26 Unknown people that are from the 1800s and stuff. But 01;30;14;26 - 01;30;21;13 Unknown Well thanks guys. You guys have an amazing night. And thanks again for coming on and 01;30;21;15 - 01;30;27;17 Unknown conundrum crew keep on creeping on. We love you. Bye. Thank you very. 01;30;27;19 - 01;30;47;27 Unknown Thanks for hanging out with us here at Total Conundrum. Please make sure to check out our website and blog at Turtle conundrum.com for news, upcoming events, merch, bloopers, and additional hysteria. You never know or pop up, so be sure to follow along if you want to show your support for Total Conundrum and gain access to all of our bonus content. 01;30;48;04 - 01;31;18;01 Unknown Please visit our Patreon page. You can also follow us on Facebook, Instagram, and Twitter. 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