00:00:03:11 - 00:00:23:04 Unknown That's just. 00:00:23:05 - 00:00:57:08 Unknown And higher and higher and. Higher. If you dig the twisted, admired the outlandish, and are enamored by the unusual, you're in the right place. True crime, the supernatural, the unexplained. Now you're speaking our language. If you agree. Join us as we dive into the darker side. You know, because it's more fun over here. Welcome to Total Conundrum. 00:00:57:10 - 00:01:09:00 Unknown One, someone's first move. Born for one quarter. The scoreboard. This discussion is advanced. Oh. 00:01:09:02 - 00:01:30:23 Unknown All right, conundrum crew. Buckle up. Because today we've got someone whose story is all about the pivot. You know that moment where life looks one way on paper? Steady job, solid paycheck. All the boxes checked. Then one day, you wake up and realize. Wait a second. This can't be it, right? Well, our guest today didn't just think it. 00:01:31:00 - 00:01:58:18 Unknown She did something about it. Kelly's a bell skier, aka Kelly Blackheart, traded in a cushy renewable energy finance career for a wild ride into the world of comedy, podcasting and unapologetic honesty. She went from crunching numbers to cracking jokes, from spreadsheets to studio mics, and she never looked back. She previously produced and co-hosted the Jim Jefferies Podcast, as well as that. 00:01:58:18 - 00:02:05:16 Unknown I don't know about this podcast with Jim Jefferies. She's one of the hilarious hosts of the unsolicited podcast, 00:02:05:17 - 00:02:33:13 Unknown And now she's joined forces with the incomparable DJ Qualls to co-host their podcast, Locked and Probably Loaded. We're talking big laughs, big risks, and a big heart, because Kelly's journey proves that sometimes falling apart is actually just the beginning of finding yourself. So grab your favorite drink, get comfy, and join us as we dive into the mind, the mayhem and the magic of Kelly Blackheart. 00:02:33:15 - 00:02:40:11 Unknown Welcome to Total Conundrum. Hey, Kelly. How are you? I was like, really impressive. 00:02:40:13 - 00:02:42:09 Unknown I've never had such a fancy intro. 00:02:42:09 - 00:03:05:03 Unknown Oh, you deserve it. You've you've done a lot. Girl, you've been through a lot. You've done a lot, and we're so excited to have you. Thanks for having me. When I got your message on Instagram, you know, it's like I try to stay up on my DMs, but now with my like, ADHD and sometimes anxiety, a lot of times I let them pile up for a while and don't get to them. 00:03:05:03 - 00:03:23:22 Unknown But I saw yours and I was like, oh, it's somebody being nice to me. Let me read that. So yeah. It's always a show. I know how to compliment. I want to answer. Usually it starts off with, hey bitch, so yours didn't and I'm happy I responded. Thank you for inviting me on here. 00:03:23:22 - 00:03:53:11 Unknown People actually message like that. Oh yeah. I've gotten I mean, they're not super duper common. I think at this point. People that follow me, like know what I stand for and all that stuff, so they're not surprised by anything I post. But when I first started working with Jim, I think that the fan base didn't really want to hear from somebody who wasn't Jim and all that stuff, and so they would send me these like, really foul messages, and then I would respond and they would go, oh my God. 00:03:53:13 - 00:04:05:19 Unknown I actually didn't think you were going to respond. I'm such a huge fan of I don't know about that. And I'm like, and you thought that this was the way to like, forge a relationship here is by telling me, like, I don't know what's going on. 00:04:05:21 - 00:04:16:10 Unknown It's it's, you know, any attention is good attention for some people. And so they kind of think that they need to nag you in order to get your attention. And apparently it worked because I responded. But yeah, 00:04:16:10 - 00:04:25:20 Unknown I have some people who are just trash. I see and hear about this so much with the trolls and stuff. 00:04:25:20 - 00:04:57:05 Unknown It's like we even get it on on occasion. And I'm just like, I just heard it. You know, all of that. Thanks for your feedback. We'll be filing this like. It's the way that people just have the audacity to think that they can treat other humans like that. It's just not even cool. It's really gross. Actually, when we were working on The Jim Jeffrey Show, I worked in the social media department or like digital, department. 00:04:57:05 - 00:05:16:15 Unknown So we handled all the social media, and my coworker forest and I would respond to the troll messages with, like this really like five paragraph message that was like, thank you so much for your interest in joining the Jim Jeffries Fan Club. Because you've opted in, you will receive like one thing a week, blah, blah, blah. And people like unsubscribe, unsubscribe. 00:05:16:15 - 00:05:21:13 Unknown But like we would just end up. 00:05:21:15 - 00:05:36:05 Unknown Well, that is our job to, schedule an email to be sent, like once a day. Here's another fun Jim. Is that. 00:05:36:07 - 00:05:50:18 Unknown I love that. How was it working with him? Awesome. Like, so I'm. I'm sure he. I probably told the story on, loaded pod, but my. So my brother was the one who 00:05:50:18 - 00:05:58:06 Unknown basically got together with Jim to start the show. And at the time, that's when I was, like, really starting to feel miserable in my old job. 00:05:58:08 - 00:06:17:01 Unknown And so I was joking around, kind of being like, hey, if you like, my brother had been trying to get me into comedy for so long, but because I was making really good money, I didn't want to, like, change careers and go get coffee for people, you know, like that, that it was not on the table for me. 00:06:17:03 - 00:06:33:17 Unknown Right. But eventually, I just was so miserable in my job that I was like, I'll go get coffee, I don't care. Like, whatever I said before, I didn't mean, And so he asked Jim if he, if they could hire me. And Jim's like, yeah, but if she sucks, I get to fire her myself. And then, like, you know, years later, I'm co-hosting his podcast. 00:06:33:17 - 00:06:35:09 Unknown So I was like, it was really cool. 00:06:35:10 - 00:06:44:18 Unknown Like, my brother really gave me the space to make all of my own relationships. Like the first season of that show, we didn't talk to each other at work at all, like most people did not know we were related. 00:06:44:20 - 00:06:49:22 Unknown Because it was important for me to not have anybody treat me differently because my brother's the showrunner. 00:06:50:00 - 00:06:50:21 Unknown And also 00:06:50:21 - 00:07:08:01 Unknown like, right, you want to have those the your own relationships with people. And so it was like really, really cool that Jim trusted me to be able to do these things. And also liked me enough to want to bring me along for, you know, the next project. So that was a very flattering. 00:07:08:01 - 00:07:31:05 Unknown That is very cool. He seems like he's such a down to earth person. Yeah. Everything that I've seen him on, like I was, listening to an interview that he did about the show that's on. I don't know if it's finished now. I haven't finished it yet, but the snake. Yeah. And he he was like, I was all like, excited about this. 00:07:31:05 - 00:08:04:12 Unknown And these relationships were all cool. And I'm not on the set very much. But when I come on the set, all of a sudden all these people are fighting and I'm like, wait, what happened? I thought you all loved each other right away. Yeah, he's such a great game show lineman. Yeah, yeah, he really is. And when I heard him on a podcast, I didn't realize I didn't put two and two together because I'm really bad with faces and names with celebrities and stuff or everyday people for that fact. 00:08:04:14 - 00:08:31:20 Unknown But and then once I realized and put two, two and two together, I'm like, I love that guy. Yeah, it was very cool to have, like, I've always liked comedy. So to have somebody that I liked their comedy previously and, you know, his comedy has shifted a lot over the years to, he doesn't drink anymore and, you know, has kids and so, so a lot of people are like, he's he's a wimp now or like, he's lost his edge. 00:08:31:21 - 00:08:58:18 Unknown It's like he's not 22 anymore. He's not 30. You know, he has a family that he they live like let's let's chill. But somebody that I liked, you know their comedy so much. And then it just like felt like this weird like manifestation of a new life so quickly because I'm like, wait. As I used to listen to him and now I'm like, sitting across from him on a microphone and he's laughing at a joke that I'm telling, like, that's crazy to me. 00:08:58:20 - 00:09:12:08 Unknown And so every time I would, like, get really down on myself, you know, once I've changed careers, I'm still at that point where I'm like, oh, I'm not where I want to be yet. Like, when is success going to come? And then I have to, like, really think about him. Like Kelly eight years ago, 00:09:12:12 - 00:09:18:02 Unknown you were sitting in a meeting with a bunch of Hvac guys, training them on your finance program. 00:09:18:02 - 00:09:30:18 Unknown Like this. This is success. You're not where you want to be yet. But like, people would kill to be in this position. And so I just, like, always kind of try to bring myself back down to earth and like, not, not get ahead of myself. 00:09:30:18 - 00:09:40:17 Unknown Right. Well, in your younger days, I know you were in you've done some acting and stuff like that as well, because I know you were in some commercials. 00:09:40:17 - 00:10:02:14 Unknown You grew up playing, collegiate volleyball, in high school and then at California State University. And wasn't it kind of your brother was kind of in the industry, and I believe I heard something about your mom being the legs on Home Alone or or know what's what. I'm alone too. Yeah. The like, walk past the scene. 00:10:02:15 - 00:10:08:18 Unknown Yeah. So. So you have some of that in your family? Yeah. My my mom, 00:10:08:20 - 00:10:20:15 Unknown modeled a lot like growing up. Like she was asked to live in the Playboy house when she was 19, and my grandma shot that down real fast. I would still know. 00:10:20:17 - 00:10:23:21 Unknown But she did a lot of modeling. And then when we were kids, we also like. 00:10:23:21 - 00:10:42:17 Unknown So we did modeling jobs and stuff like that. And looking back on it, it's really cool. But I don't know that I enjoy that as a kid. You know, it's like sleeping in rollers and waking up at 6:00 in the morning to drive to downtown Chicago to shoot something. And you're like, you know, as a kid, it's not like, here's a paycheck, here's all your money. 00:10:42:17 - 00:10:44:17 Unknown Go spend it. You know, like it's it's work. 00:10:44:17 - 00:11:04:09 Unknown But looking back on it and I'm so glad that we did that because it's very cool to say that I was in an umpire carpet commercial like, it's cool to have that footage, right? And then like, like, yeah, all of those, like, old catalogs from, like, Sears and Land and then Montgomery Ward and all of that stuff, like I was in all of those. 00:11:04:09 - 00:11:11:14 Unknown So it's it's crazy to think that pretty much anybody my age probably has seen me modeling some clothes before. 00:11:11:19 - 00:11:16:12 Unknown But they didn't know I was such a loud mouth. Then. 00:11:16:14 - 00:11:27:02 Unknown yeah. And those were such a staple in every home. They they came in the mail. They were always these, especially around Christmas time you had to go through and circle what you wanted for Christmas. 00:11:27:02 - 00:11:31:18 Unknown And. Yeah, totally. It's kind of a thing of the past, I know. Yeah. 00:11:31:22 - 00:11:40:15 Unknown your brother has an interesting story of, something that he did. You want to share that? Gosh. 00:11:40:15 - 00:11:52:16 Unknown Which one is it? The the Doritos commercial. Yeah. So 25th. Yeah. He won the Doritos Super Bowl commercial competition, which was very cool and very surreal. 00:11:52:18 - 00:12:02:18 Unknown he had been directing 2.0 for quite a while at that point and looking to branch out into things. And so his agent suggested, like he needs to do a commercial for his reel. 00:12:02:18 - 00:12:20:17 Unknown And so it was it was basically like, why don't you do this contest? We'll use this commercial as part of your reel. Whatever. Knock, knock out two birds with one stone. So about two weeks before the submission deadline, he came up with this idea, pulled in a bunch of favors from his friends. 00:12:20:19 - 00:12:24:16 Unknown I got, like, all of my roommates when I was living in Long Beach at the time. 00:12:24:18 - 00:12:44:08 Unknown It was the morning after Halloween that we shot this commercial, so we were all hung up for like, it was brutal waking up at 8 a.m. to drive up to LA to go do this commercial, especially because it wasn't a real commercial. It was like, hey, do you want to not get paid to go do a commercial that probably is never going to be on TV? 00:12:44:08 - 00:12:45:11 Unknown Like, 00:12:45:13 - 00:13:06:23 Unknown but the best part about it is my friend James, who was like the most hung over that day. He was, like named as a featured extra in the in the commercial. So I think he's made, like between 30 and $60,000 from that now because of the residuals of it if it playing so much. So he's like, I will never say no to anything. 00:13:06:23 - 00:13:25:23 Unknown Kelly asked me to do. It always ends well. Yeah. Kelly knows best. Yeah. Like I don't always have the best ideas. But we're going to have fun and not die. But we might get close to dying. So that was a lot of college. It's like last night. I'm like, I know. 00:13:26:01 - 00:13:51:10 Unknown Well, that was fun story I just heard you talk about recently was the MTV True Life, how you kind of fell into being on an episode of that? Yeah. So that like, kind of is that sums up my college experience. Was saying yes to everything, even though it was probably dangerous. So that situation was it was like just some random I think it was even a week night. 00:13:51:10 - 00:14:06:23 Unknown But we just went to the grocery store, like in our pajamas to go grab some beers and drink at home. And we ran into some guys at the grocery store. They were like holding cameras, and they were talking to us. They asked if we wanted to go to a party and we're like, do we look like we're ready to go to a party right now? 00:14:06:23 - 00:14:28:00 Unknown Like, absolutely not. But they they asked for our number, like my number or whatever. And then like 30 minutes later they got a call or we got a call and they were like, this party kind of sucks. Can we come film at your place? And I was like, yeah, sure. Like Kelly, this is why I can't have kids, because my kids like this and I would be like, what is wrong with you? 00:14:28:00 - 00:14:52:17 Unknown You just invited three random dudes with a camera over to your house, like to film, like, are you not? Yeah. So like the the episode was true life. I don't trust my partner. They came over and the guy, like the guy pretended that we had been buddies for a really long time. He ended up taking my roommate out on a date, and then the episode didn't air when we thought it was going to, 00:14:52:19 - 00:14:54:20 Unknown there was, like, a six month delay or something. 00:14:54:20 - 00:15:05:10 Unknown And when the episode came out, we found out that the guy had actually passed away. He had some, like, weird stomach condition or something like that, or like freak, freak sickness. 00:15:05:12 - 00:15:13:20 Unknown And so that's how we found out too. And he was a really nice guy. But, I also just met him that night, so it wasn't like long time friend. 00:15:14:02 - 00:15:21:00 Unknown But yeah, another one of those, like, weird cowboys lore stories. 00:15:21:02 - 00:15:40:19 Unknown I was you have some great ones. I'm, like, really thankful for my friend Colleen because she's the one who was, like, there for most of the craziest stuff that I've done. And so she's the verification of like, yes, this is a true story because as a regular, like, I wouldn't believe most of the stuff that I say that has happened to me. 00:15:40:21 - 00:15:44:12 Unknown So I need I need her to be the reason of that. 00:15:44:12 - 00:15:51:03 Unknown Well, and you have a is she the one that lives in Minnesota? No, she lives in, Long Beach. 00:15:51:03 - 00:16:16:01 Unknown Minnesota. Okay, I know you have a friend that lives out as well. Yeah. So Ali's a new friend? I met her a few years ago. She was the the, like, on air producer of the Viall Files, which is like a really, really popular pop culture podcast. So we met through that because Jim had been a guest on that show and then became really tight, and then she moved. 00:16:16:03 - 00:16:18:10 Unknown But I think she's actually coming to stay with me next week, so, 00:16:18:12 - 00:16:37:04 Unknown Oh, fun. Well, we're from Minnesota as well, so that's why it resonated with me. Yeah. So I love Minnesota. Great state. And it is freezing here today. It is only 40 degrees. It is I'm not ready 80 here. 00:16:37:06 - 00:16:47:01 Unknown Oh hahaha. Oh yeah. So jealous. I'm going to Chicago next week so I'll see what I. 00:16:47:03 - 00:16:57:12 Unknown Yeah you'll get you'll get to a little bit of what we're getting right now. But you grew up in Chicago. You're familiar with this, Mother Nature and being on PMS. Yeah. 00:16:57:14 - 00:17:10:05 Unknown I also have another very cool thing that, I listen to a podcast that you were on and not the not, locked and probably loaded, but it was, 00:17:10:05 - 00:17:19:00 Unknown Oh my goodness. I can't remember the name of it now. It was like a woman empowerment podcast. Oh, and you talked about your journey with, 00:17:19:01 - 00:17:21:06 Unknown being an egg donor when you were younger. 00:17:21:08 - 00:17:26:12 Unknown Yeah, that was a do. So I think that's a beautiful thing. Yeah. 00:17:26:12 - 00:17:31:14 Unknown a very crazy story with that. And one of the donor recipients. 00:17:31:14 - 00:17:45:13 Unknown Yeah. Yeah. That like most of, most of the egg donation stuff was pretty uneventful. But there were like a couple, I guess, specific donor situations where that were really, really wild. 00:17:45:13 - 00:17:53:08 Unknown when I'm first moved out to California, you know, I'm 18 years old and I remember being asked in one of our college class or no. 00:17:53:08 - 00:18:17:02 Unknown And one of my high school classes, like, what's your five year plan? And at 17 I'm like, okay, 22, I'll probably be married and I'll probably be starting to have a family or something because that's like so Midwestern values, you know, you get married and start a family early. And then I came to college and I was like, well, I'm definitely not ready for that, but I, I 100% want kids someday. 00:18:17:02 - 00:18:18:10 Unknown And at the time it was like 00:18:18:10 - 00:18:32:17 Unknown I didn't think my sister in law was going to be able to have kids. I had another family member who couldn't. And so I, like jokingly was looking into egg donation. My mom happened to be in town visiting, and I was like, I'm going to be an egg donor. And she's like, no, you're not like, because I was like, ooh, money! 00:18:32:17 - 00:18:43:07 Unknown But I was joking around about it and I, I researched it for like a year, a year and a half to make sure that it was something that I thought I could be like, psychologically, like, wrap my head around psychologically. 00:18:43:07 - 00:18:48:23 Unknown And. Yeah, and then I decided to go for it and the rest was like crazy, crazy roller coaster. 00:18:48:23 - 00:18:49:20 Unknown And, 00:18:49:22 - 00:19:12:11 Unknown I don't know, like, if you asked me if I could go back in time, would I do it or not? I genuinely don't know the answer because, like, I did it for the right reasons. And there were a lot of great things about why I did it. But it also like fucked up my health. I had all these crazy situations with the donor like. 00:19:12:13 - 00:19:24:03 Unknown But I also love a wild story. Like all of the bad things that have ever happened to me, I'm like, no, that's that's part of my story. Like, I get to take that with me. So it's like I have these mixed feelings about it. But, 00:19:24:05 - 00:19:28:12 Unknown ultimately, I think the stories are good enough to warrant having gone through all that. 00:19:28:14 - 00:19:51:07 Unknown Yeah. You, you had the journey of, well, the health issues. Wasn't that because a donor or a person you were donating to backed out? So you were pumped through or pumped up with all the hormones and everything? Yeah. So they I think they end it like, I can't say for sure, but I'm pretty sure they decided to get a divorce in the middle of the donation process. 00:19:51:07 - 00:20:10:11 Unknown And so there's no clause that says, you know, if they cancel that, we're going to funnel out the hormones or do a surgery or anything like that. So they I had already been taking the hormones for like 12 to 14 days or something like that. And so they just sit in your body and they ended up like really messing with my organs. 00:20:10:11 - 00:20:37:20 Unknown I gained 100 pounds in a year and like to go from being a Division one athlete where like moving is not hard for me. Walking is not hard for me to all of a sudden my body carrying this extra weight. It's like I just I became totally depressed because I didn't recognize myself, but also like, pain is such an easy way to fall into depression too, because you want to get up and you want to go do things, but like everything hurts. 00:20:37:20 - 00:21:02:12 Unknown Sleeping hurts, lying down hurts standing up hurts like, you know, it's like when people talk about depression as like, well, people just need to get over it or whatever. I'm like you, if you don't deal with chronic pain, you can't possibly understand how daunting 60 more years feels like, because it's like I'm almost 40 now, and if I'm in this much pain now, imagine how much more pain I'm going to be in in 40 years, you know? 00:21:02:12 - 00:21:31:16 Unknown So it's like it's all of those little factors that it really it really put me in a bad spot for a while. And now I'm like. I think me gaining all that weight was actually actually probably a really good thing for me because I, it really forced me to become smarter and funnier and all of those things, because all of the attention that I was used to getting for just existing before did not, did not happen anymore. 00:21:31:16 - 00:21:40:15 Unknown And so it's like, okay, I have to I have to be a little bit better. And I actually think that's what kind of propelled me into changing careers. 00:21:40:17 - 00:22:01:06 Unknown Well, you have such a big heart to do that, to go through all of that, to give other people the chance to have children that aren't. I mean, I know you had one person that ended up being kind of psychotic with it, like tracing you down and stuff like that. 00:22:01:06 - 00:22:04:22 Unknown I don't know if you want to go too much into that story or not, 00:22:05:00 - 00:22:22:18 Unknown So basically, I discovered you when we were researching Tai Tai Olsen for our episode, and when I was googling like or googling and searching for podcast, I happened to see the podcast that DJ 00:22:22:18 - 00:22:24:17 Unknown had announced the, 00:22:24:22 - 00:22:35:21 Unknown him and Ty and their relationship and stuff, but he was kind of talking about, how he almost turned down being on supernatural. 00:22:35:23 - 00:23:15:14 Unknown And how it would have changed his whole life trajectory and the people that he's met and stuff. Well, that one episode was all it took. I listen from that episode forward and then went back and listened to the other ones for. And if you guys listeners, if you're not listening to it right now, you definitely have to go and listen because it is the funnest podcast, because the personalities and the way you guys banter and the things that you talk about important topics, and yet you talk about a lot of fun things to do. 00:23:15:16 - 00:23:43:14 Unknown And it's like create you guys and ADHD person's dream. It's like, this is how my brain works. Well, is it really representative of our friendship? Like the the idea of doing this came about during the pandemic, where it's like, D.J. and I would hang out maybe once every few months or something when he was in town, and we would drink on his patio and just shoot the shit all night, like for seven hours straight. 00:23:43:14 - 00:23:54:18 Unknown And we never had a lull in our conversations. It was just it was so easy to jump from topic to topic, and I'm sure we probably told the same stories over and over and over again to each other. 00:23:54:18 - 00:24:09:09 Unknown Originally, we're going to start the podcast right before the pandemic hit. And so we like, bought microphones and did all that stuff and then pandemic hits and obviously, you know, what happens from there. And so we we ended up not starting it until four years later. 00:24:09:11 - 00:24:12:11 Unknown And I'm really glad that that happened too, because our friendship 00:24:12:13 - 00:24:30:05 Unknown developed so much more in that next four years where it's like initially it was like we're two casual friends that can really yap to each other, but now it's like, no, that's where are each other's person for so much of of life, you know? So, there's a lot of trust there land. 00:24:30:07 - 00:24:38:09 Unknown And we can, we can argue or disagree on things. And it's like the first time I've really ever feel felt safe. 00:24:38:11 - 00:24:52:00 Unknown Like bringing up, like, if he says something that hurts my feelings a I know he didn't intentionally do that, but I feel safe enough to bring it up because I know that he's not going to turn it back on me and be like, well, remember when you did that thing? 00:24:52:02 - 00:25:13:08 Unknown It's like our friendship is very much accountability and like, oh my God, I love you. I would never want to make you feel that way. I'm so sorry I did that. So like, we've had a couple of tiffs in our friendship, but every time we have one, it actually makes me feel stronger about our friendship because like, you go through that stuff and you're like, oh, man, there's really nothing that could break us because we're so good at conflict resolution, like. 00:25:13:08 - 00:25:27:19 Unknown Right. And and truly, we like, work together like a team where it's like, I'm not trying to win against him and he's not trying to win against me. It's like, you know, like they say about marriage, it's us. It's us versus the problem. Like that's very much what our friendship is like. 00:25:27:21 - 00:25:43:21 Unknown it's it's neat for me to be able to, like, actually talk about my feelings sometimes if my feelings get hurt because I've just always been somebody who bottled everything up because I just didn't want to deal with the blowback of, like, somebody then bringing up something I did that I never, I never knew they had an issue with. 00:25:43:21 - 00:25:47:15 Unknown It's just like, yeah, we can really deal with the here and now. So that's nice. 00:25:47:17 - 00:26:10:23 Unknown It is really nice. And I know there was one episode that I listened to. He, I think the episode previous to that, he was talking about being bullied when he was younger and stuff, and then you had brought up something and all of a sudden he, like stopped and he was like, oh my God, am I a bully? 00:26:11:00 - 00:26:33:08 Unknown Am I am I bullying? And it was like you could just hear the light bulb like, oh my gosh. And you're like, no, no, no. And he's a good because I don't ever want to be that person. But he comes across sometimes as so and it's his personality. It's like he's just he's he comes across as a little bit of a diva. 00:26:33:10 - 00:27:09:13 Unknown And and it's his it's a play on his personality. And I love that about him because he's just like, what you mean I have to drive? Yeah. Why are you so poor? Yeah. I love when I know that, you know. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. Like that. And but when you said something and it wasn't even calling him out, but it was all sudden, he's like, literally you could hear his hamster going and he's like, wait, I'm not bullying you, am I? 00:27:09:15 - 00:27:35:00 Unknown And it was just so sincere and I loved it. And the you listening to you guys talk about your everyday life, the trivia, the vacations, the things you encounter on vacation, the people in everyday life. And it's it is true gold. You guys definitely have something that people could only dream of having in a friendship with each other. 00:27:35:02 - 00:27:57:18 Unknown Yeah, it's it's funny because our friendship got really, I basically lost a friendship of 16 years, kind of because of my friendship with TJ. But they were just were really jealous of our friendship. And at that time, it was still when we were hanging out like once every three months. And I'm like, I don't I don't know how much more of my time I can give you. 00:27:57:18 - 00:28:16:05 Unknown I spend so much time with you, and then I and then I go out with DJ one night for his birthday. And this is a problem like this can't happen. And and I was just done like 16 years of friendship. I'm like, you cannot do this to me because I know what this is. You're trying to control him. 00:28:16:05 - 00:28:21:07 Unknown You're trying to make it so that I can't be friends with anybody else. It's just I'm too old for that. 00:28:21:09 - 00:28:35:02 Unknown And so ever since that happened, we've become even closer. Like, we live six minutes away from each other. So it's also one of those situations where it's much easier for us to hang out than it is for me to hang out with somebody who lives 40 minutes away, where you have to make a full plan. 00:28:35:02 - 00:28:49:18 Unknown And do you know, it's like there's all of these things that go into it. So, everything happened the way it needs to. It's it's been a relief to switch out those two friendships because one of them was very high maintenance and I couldn't maintain. 00:28:49:20 - 00:29:27:11 Unknown Well, even being in California and being in the limelight and the celebrity atmosphere, it's so you have to be so careful and you have to have a little bit more of a guarded personality in the guarded front, because you have people that are trying to just get in, for the not good reasons. And then the other thing is, is when you're out in public, it's not like Jeremy and I are going out for dinner or going to the local, you know, pub or the local bar. 00:29:27:13 - 00:29:55:21 Unknown You guys have a totally different scenario of, you know, you being recognized, being recognized. And so that's got to be hard. So it must be nice when you travel to some places. Well, for a little bit where you can maybe have a little of, you know, anonymity. Oh boy, I can't say that word. Anthony. Boy, how do you know what I remember? 00:29:55:23 - 00:30:15:22 Unknown I mean, like, I'm I'm recognized almost nowhere. It has to be, like, a very niche crowd in order for me to be recognized. But it gets recognized everywhere. And I think probably what something that he appreciates about our friendship is that I don't act bothered by people coming up to talk to him. Like, to me, I think it's such a treat to watch him interact with his fans. 00:30:16:04 - 00:30:32:08 Unknown He's like so genuine and kind with them and every time it happens, it just makes me feel proud to be his friend and all that stuff. But I know that he's had people in his life where they're like, God again, like you're taking pictures of people again, like, we're out, you know? And it's like, it just is what it is. 00:30:32:08 - 00:30:51:12 Unknown You know? Like, he can't become un famous overnight. You know, he's he's one of the most recognizable actors. Like, nobody has a face like he does, you know, and and even people who don't know his name know his face. It's just going to happen. So you can fight it all you want to, or you can embrace it and go, all right, I'm going to go stand over here. 00:30:51:12 - 00:30:58:13 Unknown I'll take a video of this cute moment or whatever it is. It's like it takes 30s, I don't care. Like. 00:30:58:15 - 00:30:59:02 Unknown Right. 00:30:59:04 - 00:31:25:05 Unknown I can't believe you're not recognized more. I mean, you are. So you've been out there. You've done a lot of things and you are so beautiful. Oh thank you. And I just your personality and there's, you know, everything that you have been, what you've done and have been and are doing before you know it, you're going to be the one recognized to it. 00:31:25:07 - 00:31:46:03 Unknown And that, like DJ made so many jokes about that, like, I'm going to make you famous because he knows that I don't want to be famous. Like there is this like weird line where of course, like, I'm putting myself out there as a public figure by doing podcasts or whatever. But this was never my plan. Like when when, Jim brought me to. 00:31:46:03 - 00:32:03:22 Unknown I don't know about that. I still thought I was only producing that. And I got there the first day and he's like, there's your mic. And I'm like, what? I don't, I, I don't want to be on camera. Like, especially because I think a lot of like with the weight gain from the egg donation, I wasn't ready to be like perceived by the world yet. 00:32:03:22 - 00:32:10:00 Unknown I had all these insecurities and I didn't. I wasn't prepared for people to, like, shout them back at me. 00:32:10:03 - 00:32:21:11 Unknown And now it's like, whatever it's been, it's been seven years. I have thick enough skin that, you know, if somebody wants to call me ugly or fat on the internet, like, okay, I get more creative. I'm a lot worse things and ugly and fat. 00:32:21:11 - 00:32:43:05 Unknown But, but yeah. So it was never my intention to become a public figure. And so I have like a little bit of hesitation on that. But at the same time, like, I, I also kind of feel like all of the crazy stuff that I've been through mixed with my personality. It's like I need to be talking to the world about some of this stuff. 00:32:43:05 - 00:32:58:03 Unknown Like there's so much stuff that I would have done differently in my 20s if I had heard somebody else talking about the stuff that they had gone through. So like, I really do feel like I can reach a lot of people. And so I need to get rid of my fears of being seen or perceived by a lot of people. 00:32:58:04 - 00:32:58:18 Unknown Right. 00:32:58:20 - 00:33:03:01 Unknown It's yeah, it's the internet is so scary or cruel. Yeah, 00:33:03:04 - 00:33:26:00 Unknown but it really is. It really is. And the way that people can be so creepy and they can be so cold and it's like, just love each other. Come on. I, me why does everybody have to be mean? I feel really bad for like, a lot of, the reality stars. 00:33:26:00 - 00:33:57:03 Unknown Yeah. These people that are coming into it that, you know, they go into it. Yes. For the fame, the charity, you know, all of that stuff. Some of them do it and then some of them just do it because they want to try to find love or whatever. But the trolls out there are crazy. But right before, recording today, Jeremy and I were, sitting in the kitchen, and I had, 00:33:57:05 - 00:34:24:13 Unknown What is it? Love is blind on, And there was this girl on there. This guy was, like, professing his love to her. And she's like, well, I have to be honest with you, I do have a boyfriend. And he pushed for me to come on to the show. Yes, I'm the current one. I'm so sorry. I didn't know it was that yet. 00:34:24:15 - 00:34:47:20 Unknown That's. But I won't say it. I don't I won't say who or what, but. No, she was flat out told him that she has a boyfriend, but she's not in love with him anymore. And that he, pushed for her to go on to the show. And I'm like, run! I'm in the bathroom getting ready for a recording, and I'm like, screaming for the bathroom run! 00:34:47:22 - 00:35:07:01 Unknown What, are you joking? So then she starts talking all sexy, and, I rub my all hot and bothered that he's like, totally flip, do you? Okay. And then he's like, totally flipped. I'm like, oh my gosh, are you that dumb? The second hand embarrassment from that. But you got people like that. 00:35:07:03 - 00:35:11:08 Unknown Yes. Oh, but you have these people that are going on there to truly find love. 00:35:11:08 - 00:35:13:20 Unknown And then you have the ones that just want the fame. Yeah, 00:35:13:20 - 00:35:32:21 Unknown I'm pretty, I'm cute, and I think I'll get a career out of this. Yeah. It's insane. It's inevitable. You know, like, especially when when people can see how lucrative a social media career can be for something that they perceive to be really, really simple. 00:35:32:23 - 00:35:39:12 Unknown I don't have enough of a social media following to have any complaints about how social media is hard. 00:35:39:14 - 00:35:58:08 Unknown But I am lazy and I don't post very often. And every single day I'm like, I really should be more, but I can't, but I do, I like it, it is a full time job as much as it's not manual labor by any means. But like you, you really are spending a lot of time doing editing or whatever. 00:35:58:08 - 00:36:20:06 Unknown But I think the hardest part about it is, is inviting the feedback from the masses. Right. It's like it's the the mindset to me is so weird that people are like, well, you posted online, so you should be okay with everybody's opinions, like especially on videos where, you know, somebody doesn't have a lot of followers, they just have one video that happened to blow up. 00:36:20:06 - 00:36:46:10 Unknown It's like I've had I've had that a number of times where now I like fear going viral because it's always like really, really normal for the first 100,000 views. And then you get to a point where it's like something clicks and people are like, time to be the nastiest person on the planet and like, argue about something that wasn't even said in the video or like, pick out this one thing that you didn't even know you had on your face. 00:36:46:10 - 00:37:09:07 Unknown Since he could be insecure about it for the rest of your life. It's like it's so demonic how it switches from like your audience seeing it to everybody seeing it. It's so wild. So I would say that that's that's a hard part of social media that I don't think that the average person could handle. And so when they talk and not that I'm defending influencers, I think a lot of them are really annoying. 00:37:09:07 - 00:37:17:03 Unknown But but I do think that it's a harder, harder mental health wise than a lot of jobs are. 00:37:17:03 - 00:37:20:20 Unknown Oh for sure. And like you were saying, 00:37:20:22 - 00:37:26:15 Unknown with the work associated with podcasting, I don't think that people 00:37:26:17 - 00:37:28:04 Unknown on the other side 00:37:28:09 - 00:37:59:14 Unknown realize how much hard work and dedication and everything that goes into it, like we do true crime and paranormal. And then we started dabbling in celebrity interviews and stuff as well. But the research to go into these stories and then writing the stories and then recording and editing, and then always making sure you have content going out and scheduling the content, and it's another full time job. 00:37:59:14 - 00:38:25:09 Unknown Oh, absolutely. And you're doing two podcasts right now? I can't even imagine. Luckily, the unsolicited is like, it's one of the it's we've been doing it for six years now, and we're not very consistent with it anymore because we all just have so many other different things going on. But it is it is a show that I would like to do forever, even if it meant doing, you know, four episodes a year. 00:38:25:11 - 00:38:44:01 Unknown If we if like if we could only do that or once a month or whatever it is. It's a really good excuse to get together and chat with some friends and like, it's just silly and and all three of us have kind of pretty different perspectives on life. And so that's where I get all of my arguing out. 00:38:44:01 - 00:38:59:12 Unknown I argue with Tommy all the time, and I'm, I'm I'm not a big ha you are in my regular life. So it scratches that itch for me to be like, no, you're wrong. What are you talking about? Like, I like doing that with him. It's fun to argue with him. So. 00:38:59:14 - 00:39:20:05 Unknown That's one I haven't listened to yet, but it's definitely now that I've, caught up on Locked and Loaded, I definitely need to get my fill somewhere else. So I will, I will check I will not be offended if it is not your cup of tea. I do when we when we first started, we were we were recording it while we were at work at the Jim Jefferies Show. 00:39:20:05 - 00:39:27:12 Unknown So, like, if we didn't have anything to do, we would just start drinking and recording a podcast and we would record for like two and a half, three hours. 00:39:27:14 - 00:39:39:07 Unknown And so the first episodes are long, long, long. But I think there's a lot of funny stuff in there, but it's also a lot of just like idiotic poop jokes and stuff like that. 00:39:39:09 - 00:40:07:21 Unknown You know, that's is sometimes it's refreshing, almost, because I have to research. I do more of the true crime research and stuff Jeremy goes through. And, you know, he appeases me and listens. Hey, the true crime part of it because it's so it's just stark. Yeah, but the stories need to be told, right? You know, the paranormal is definitely more fun because you can poke fun. 00:40:07:21 - 00:40:10:05 Unknown You can make more jokes. And, 00:40:10:07 - 00:40:27:12 Unknown but I like getting away from that. And I would rather listen to poop. Poop, poop humor. And I find it's because it's just it's mindless and it's fun. It makes you laugh. I don't know how many times, 00:40:27:14 - 00:40:35:09 Unknown just recently, just being in the car and being able to, you know, you're in the car by yourself and you look crazy because you bust out laughing. 00:40:35:09 - 00:41:03:12 Unknown But yeah, that is something that refreshes you because the world can suck sometimes. And having that outlet is wonderful. Yeah. My like unsolicited, we do get a lot of messages of people like, I was listening to this at work or like in my car in the drive through. And as I pulled up to the window, like you guys said, the most ridiculous thing ever, and it was really embarrassing, or I burst out laughing at work and people were wondering what the hell I was doing. 00:41:03:12 - 00:41:15:19 Unknown So it it is pretty ridiculous. It's just it's very it's not highbrow by any means. So I don't want to fool anybody here by thinking they're going to get any insightful shit on that podcast. 00:41:15:21 - 00:41:32:23 Unknown No. Oh. There was, I was going through your guys's Instagram the other day, and I shared one of your reels. I literally laughed my ass off because it was, like, all serious. 00:41:32:23 - 00:41:50:01 Unknown That was like, this is, you know, the truth is going to come out. And it was like clips of you and DJ going back and forth, and then all of a sudden it was Rhino, your dog. And I don't even remember what the question was at the end or whatever, but I died because I was like, wait, what did I miss? 00:41:50:01 - 00:42:12:01 Unknown What is this? That it was something about Rhino at the end. And I was like, that is gold. I, I just surprised it's such a part of your podcast. I've been, I've been wanting to do clips like that for, like, our actual podcast where it's like we have, like one compilation clip that's just a snippet here, a snippet here, whatever. 00:42:12:07 - 00:42:22:02 Unknown But I that's a tall order. So I asked Isaac, I'm like, why don't we just do one where it seems like we're going to do a hard hitting interview with somebody, and then we'll just ask Rhino if he's a good boy or bad boy. 00:42:22:04 - 00:42:26:11 Unknown And yeah, I like the way it turned out. I thought it was really fun. 00:42:26:13 - 00:42:34:01 Unknown And it was really fun. And it had me. Okay. What's that? Yeah, he is a good boy. But I'm glad that you were in suspense. 00:42:34:06 - 00:42:37:16 Unknown Yes. We had to put our acting caps on there. 00:42:37:19 - 00:42:51:22 Unknown You did a great job. You did an amazing job. So you had mentioned to me that you have a project that's going to be coming out that is outside of podcasting. 00:42:52:02 - 00:43:04:06 Unknown So you also are an aspiring writer, and so you have something coming out next year. Well, we're we're hoping to go into production on it next summer. 00:43:04:06 - 00:43:11:04 Unknown So we're like yesterday. Yesterday all day I was like going through the contract and trying to figure out 00:43:11:06 - 00:43:27:07 Unknown my attorney is otherwise, busy right now medically. And so I was like, I think I can look through this contract and see if there's any like, we're kind of still in the phases where I'm like, I want to add back end and merge on this, like just kind of setting everything up. 00:43:27:07 - 00:43:32:03 Unknown But, my friend Jake from high school, 00:43:32:06 - 00:43:47:03 Unknown he's been making, like, short short films for quite a while now, and he made this short film that was on like, Blumhouse TV. And it it did really, really well. It had like, I think a couple million views and stuff like that. And it was basically about, 00:43:47:05 - 00:43:52:12 Unknown kind of scorned woman who was on dating apps and dealing with, like, really toxic assholes. 00:43:52:12 - 00:43:59:16 Unknown And so Jake reached out to me because initially on the internet, most of what I posted were my online dating conversations, 00:43:59:18 - 00:44:16:19 Unknown because they were horrendous. And I, I liked, like, messing with, you know, going back and forth with them. And so when Jake was talking about turning this short film into a feature, he was he was like, I got to ask Kelly, like, I need, I need a consultant on this stuff. 00:44:16:19 - 00:44:17:21 Unknown So we ended up, 00:44:17:23 - 00:44:38:14 Unknown writing the feature. And then he has a, he has a film called kombucha right now that is out on the, like, independent horror film circuit that is like really, really doing very well. And so the production of ours has kind of been pushed back a little bit, but it sounds like summer is what we're what we're looking at. 00:44:38:14 - 00:44:49:19 Unknown But yeah, basically it's this group of toxic bros. They, they create a dating app and on the weekend like that, they sold it. 00:44:49:21 - 00:44:59:21 Unknown Kind of. How do I even I haven't I should have thought of, like, looked up or thought of a logline before I did this on the weekend that they're like announcing that it was sold. 00:44:59:22 - 00:45:08:00 Unknown They mysteriously get picked off one by one. In with somebody in a in a mask by a masked killer. 00:45:08:02 - 00:45:12:12 Unknown But it's very, like fun. It's it's funny and horror. 00:45:12:14 - 00:45:21:22 Unknown So I'm excited about it, I think. I think it'll be fun and and it's just going to be like, a low budget, whatever thing. But that's why horror's so fun is because 00:45:21:22 - 00:45:24:14 Unknown that low budget horror film can be freaking awesome. 00:45:24:14 - 00:45:30:23 Unknown Like, that's the one genre that you can really go all the way out spending tons and tons of money. 00:45:30:23 - 00:45:34:20 Unknown And sometimes the low budget ones are the best ones. 00:45:34:20 - 00:45:36:05 Unknown what was that one? 00:45:36:06 - 00:45:53:08 Unknown The Blair Witch. That was one that's I don't know, that was low budget or not, but it gave the appearance of it just being from their recordings and stuff like that. And that movie where the movie had. Oh me. 00:45:53:10 - 00:46:11:00 Unknown Yeah I think, I think I, I never saw that until very recently. I think my brother went to like the premiere of it or something like that. I remember I remember it being a big deal in my house at some point, but I never saw it until like five years ago or something like that. Good movie though. 00:46:11:00 - 00:46:16:13 Unknown Very fun. Yeah, I saw it on the big screen that made it even worse. 00:46:16:15 - 00:46:36:16 Unknown A girlfriend of mine was sitting next to me and she literally, like, had her feet up on the chair, and she kept grabbing me. I'm like, stop grabbing me. You're scaring the shit out of me. Yeah, that's we did that. We were on our way home and she, like you, just does that. 00:46:36:16 - 00:46:38:09 Unknown What he does? 00:46:38:11 - 00:46:59:09 Unknown Yeah. He's. He like, that's how we. You see a lot of horror movies in the theater. That's usually our favorite genre to go. See you together. But he's he's more easily scared than I am. Like, I, there's not a whole lot that, like, penetrates my fear thing. Maybe just because I've been a woman alive for 39 years. 00:46:59:13 - 00:47:23:01 Unknown Like there's not much that scares me. But he jump is like, really, really get him. And so the only time that they get me is because he, like, flies his arm over and grabs my leg, and I'm like, Jesus. Like, what? I didn't know we were doing a 4D movie right? 00:47:23:03 - 00:47:28:16 Unknown For some reason, I can totally see that too. Every time. Every time 00:47:28:18 - 00:47:47:17 Unknown I love that. And I wonder how I wonder how tie is with those kind of things. We never asked him about horror movies or anything. We did ask him about ghost experiences, but I wonder if he'd be the jumpscare type too. Or if he's more of like your personality. 00:47:47:20 - 00:48:03:12 Unknown Yeah, movies I, I can't imagine that tie is easily jumpscared, but you know, I could be wrong. Like we said he is. He's a giant teddy bear, mushy gushy on the inside. So never judge a book by its cover. 00:48:03:14 - 00:48:12:05 Unknown Riot. Right. And he's been in so many horror movies as well. So I think that probably kind of takes away from it. 00:48:12:06 - 00:48:40:07 Unknown Totally. So yeah, I would I did not ask him that question. It was so. So do you have any other fun project in the work? Oh go ahead. No, I was going to say it was so funny meeting him because, like, he's been in so many things and, and I started rewatching the show unreal, which is like basically a scripted show about the behind the scenes of, like, the Bachelor Bachelorette franchise. 00:48:40:09 - 00:48:54:08 Unknown And I'm watching it and I'm like, that's tight. Ties the asshole with this. Like, it's all I'm texting. And like, I was in on what, like, feel like this happens all the time where I'll meet somebody through DJ and then like, there was another actor that, 00:48:54:08 - 00:49:00:11 Unknown we ran into at one of the dive bars that we go to, and I was watching the same show and I was like, wait, he's in this too? 00:49:00:11 - 00:49:09:14 Unknown What the hell? Like, how am I? I'm now meeting all these people on this show that I used to watch ten years ago, and not realizing they were in it at all. It's so crazy, 00:49:09:14 - 00:49:23:04 Unknown right? It is. And like, even with Ty, I know that I have seen so many other things that he's been in. But then I didn't realize that's who he was, right? 00:49:23:05 - 00:49:50:22 Unknown When he really came to the forefront and stuck in my memory was from supernatural, because I loved his character of Benny so much and so much so. I didn't even realize that he was in one of the earlier seasons playing a different vampire. Oh yeah, I heard where Jeremy is. Yeah, Jeremy is so good at picking up on that stuff. 00:49:51:00 - 00:50:08:23 Unknown And Ty was also in Smallville, which Jeremy's probably watched 510 times from start to finish. Each time I love. That's okay. Maybe 501. Is Smallville the one? He's like, yeah, he was in Smallville. 00:50:08:23 - 00:50:12:15 Unknown Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Yep. So yeah, I know Rosie. 00:50:12:17 - 00:50:16:06 Unknown Do you? Yeah. He. So, Tom, what's he like in real life? 00:50:16:09 - 00:50:25:01 Unknown He's very fun. Like, So Tommy, he's one of my co-host on unsolicited. Michael is one of his best friends. And so, 00:50:25:03 - 00:50:40:23 Unknown Michael, Michael Rosenbaum was the reason that I woke up with, like, Freddy Krueger, like, scrapes all the way down my leg the morning after Tommy's wedding. And I don't remember it. And it's because he brought us to get us get to get Everclear slushies. 00:50:41:01 - 00:50:47:09 Unknown And I don't even remember having. Oh. 00:50:47:11 - 00:51:03:10 Unknown I woke up the morning, like, what happened? Like, I don't even. I can't even fathom what I could have. It was, I'm a calf, too. And I was like, how? What position did I have to be in scraping up against, like, what is going on? So yeah, that was Michael Rosenbaum's fault. 00:51:03:12 - 00:51:07:21 Unknown Very fun time, 00:51:07:22 - 00:51:38:18 Unknown It seems like he would be a lot of fun. He just, But he's so poised to. He just has that very poised, very professional, but yet snarky little, you know, kind of like Jeremy listens to, his podcast with Tom welling, Taco Bell. And, I always love that he comes across. He kind of is like, well, I wasn't in this episode, so it wasn't very good. 00:51:38:22 - 00:51:50:20 Unknown Yeah, yeah, I'm not watching it. I know what that is. I don't want to watch. And I wasn't in it. That it. Yeah. Yeah. He's he's a snarky. This analogy. 00:51:50:22 - 00:52:04:19 Unknown I have a hard time seeing him with hair now after watching him on Smallville for so. Yeah. I do listen to his inside of you, too. Oh, okay. Yeah. D.J. was on that last year. Or was he? Yeah. 00:52:04:19 - 00:52:06:19 Unknown Okay. Okay. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, 00:52:06:19 - 00:52:16:11 Unknown I didn't realize that, you knew him as well. I'm sure. You know, a ton of people being in LA and just by association. Yeah. 00:52:16:11 - 00:52:27:01 Unknown I know more comedians, than actors, but I've met a lot of people. Like there are, there are a lot of people I've met in passing, but I wouldn't say that I know them or that they would recognize me. 00:52:27:01 - 00:52:41:01 Unknown Like Brad Pitt told me, I had cool hair when I had purple hair on The Jim Jeffrey Show, and like, I hung out with Sean Penn one night and Bob Saget and like, so I've met a lot of really, really, really famous people, but 00:52:41:03 - 00:52:52:14 Unknown it feels like a lot of the famous people I've met are not are people that I can't even brag about having met because they have too much controversy attached to their names on like, yeah, I hung out with Sean Penn. 00:52:52:14 - 00:53:00:07 Unknown Sorry about that. Like, oh wow, I didn't know then. Yeah, I didn't 00:53:00:07 - 00:53:05:06 Unknown We've gone to, Crypto.com in the past couple of years. 00:53:05:08 - 00:53:20:15 Unknown I didn't realize it was a horror movie thing. I thought with the name of it, with the name being Crypto.com, I thought it was going to be a cryptid, you know, in regards to like, Bigfoot and stuff like that. And I was so confused and why all these celebrities were going to be there. 00:53:20:17 - 00:53:22:05 Unknown And we get there and realize, 00:53:22:05 - 00:53:29:05 Unknown I'm like, oh, it's a horror movie thing. And we've met quite a few different celebrities and stuff 00:53:29:09 - 00:53:38:14 Unknown there, and the majority of them, we end up encountering in the elevator because we stay the weekend and they're staying. Most of them stay at the hotel and stuff. 00:53:38:18 - 00:53:42:13 Unknown Jamison Newlander, he was one of the frog brothers on Lost Boys. 00:53:42:18 - 00:53:48:22 Unknown We had him on and through Jamison, we met G. Tom Mack. He's, singer songwriter 00:53:49:00 - 00:53:51:11 Unknown but we've just encountered so many different people. 00:53:51:14 - 00:54:07:03 Unknown We're going to be interviewing, Tom Fridley. He's John Travolta's nephew. We met him this year and he's in California and had internet issues too, so we had to reschedule. Yeah, reschedule our recording with him. 00:54:07:05 - 00:54:19:14 Unknown Jamison had internet issues. He's in California. I'm like. Like, what is wrong with your internet? People might be California. Yeah, it's. I don't know what's going on. 00:54:19:16 - 00:54:47:17 Unknown But it's so fun meeting most of the people are, like, so down to earth and just, you know, it's like in just meeting them in everyday life. Yeah. And but then you have some people that like, freak out when they meet people. And I think that kind of makes them take a step back. You just have to talk to them like they're a normal person because they are they really are a normal person. 00:54:47:19 - 00:54:50:19 Unknown And was Ty we met him, 00:54:51:01 - 00:55:20:20 Unknown or got in contact with him because they requested a cameo and I made a mistake that I didn't realize how stupid it was to ask until I heard him talking about it. And D.J. talking about it. I asked him to play Benny to do the cameo as Benny, and after I, talked with him for a little while, I actually apologized. 00:55:20:20 - 00:55:29:14 Unknown I was like, I am that person. I am so sorry. And I never put it in the perspective of 00:55:29:15 - 00:55:48:08 Unknown treating them like monkeys, like perform, perform for me. Yeah, I just thought it would be a cool thing for a shout out for our podcast. And but that ended up turning into him wanting to be on our podcast, which we were so stoked and so amazed. 00:55:48:10 - 00:56:15:06 Unknown And he is just such a great person. But you learn so much about how these people are treated in certain ways and stigmatized in ways like with DJ, you know, he's oh, you're, you know, the geek from this movie or you're this from this and it's like, well, no, that's I'm D.J., I'm not that character. I am a person. 00:56:15:08 - 00:56:21:02 Unknown And that was a big eye opener for me because I never thought about it in that aspect. 00:56:21:04 - 00:56:36:04 Unknown Yeah, I think you can tell when somebody has like, good intentions or not, you know, to where like, I wouldn't expect anybody to know that that isn't something that these people want to do on cameo is to do their characters like. 00:56:36:04 - 00:56:52:23 Unknown I think it's a very normal thing for people to ask, but like to have the awareness to then go, hey, I'm really sorry about that. Like that will ingratiate you with Ty and D.J. all day long. Like they they do not care if people make mistakes, but if like or like even step on their toes a little bit or whatever. 00:56:52:23 - 00:57:00:14 Unknown Like they are very much so, like, oh, this person apologize for this thing that they didn't really need to. And now I love them. So like you're good, 00:57:00:14 - 00:57:06:13 Unknown well, Ty was even telling us a story about how he had met a couple people. 00:57:06:15 - 00:57:19:22 Unknown I don't remember. It was on vacation or if it was at a con or something, but he said that he truly thought that they were going to be friends for life because they had such a great connection. 00:57:19:22 - 00:57:39:16 Unknown And he even invited them to come to his house in Vancouver. And the people reached out and were like, well, yeah, there's a concert going on in Vancouver. So I think this would be a good time for us to come. And then he's like, yeah, definitely. He's like, yeah, but I don't know if we can really afford it. 00:57:39:16 - 00:58:05:02 Unknown And he's like, don't I already told you, you didn't have to get a hotel. You can stay here. And the guy's like, no, I don't think we can afford the flights. Basically, he was hinting, you know, to have time pay for his entire vacation. I was like, are you kidding me? The audacity of even thinking that that's okay. 00:58:05:04 - 00:58:22:12 Unknown It's. I don't care if you're a billionaire. Yeah. And like, and I also think people think that actors make a lot, much, a lot more money than they do. It's like, yes, Tom cruise makes a ton of a ton of money, but most actors who are like working actors that play, 00:58:22:14 - 00:58:29:12 Unknown like character roles and all that stuff, they're after management and agents fees and all that stuff. 00:58:29:12 - 00:58:56:20 Unknown They're not like rolling in the dough, like they're they're very much waiting for their next job to come along. And, and I think, I think that's another weird thing about society and these parasocial relationships with celebrities is that they assume because because I recognize you, you must be rich, because you're famous and rich and famous go together. And so then they have a lot less like empathy or compassion for them as people because they're like, well, I don't care. 00:58:56:20 - 00:59:19:10 Unknown You're rich, you don't have problems. And it's like, okay, well, what is rich exactly? Like let's let's define that first of all. But like, even with Deej, like he, he makes good money, but he, he still worries about am I going to have jobs to, you know, qualify for SAG health care. Like, you know all of these things that he's not they're getting married. 00:59:19:10 - 00:59:39:10 Unknown They're you know, they've they've got kids to deal with all of this stuff. It's like there's there's a lot more expenses than just one person and management and lawyers and agents and all of those things, like, so people don't think about that. But DJ, DJ tends to like cover the bill most times when we go to trivia or whatever. 00:59:39:10 - 00:59:56:11 Unknown And I used to offer to pay every single time and he would get annoyed with me and I'm like, yeah, but I don't want you to ever think that I'm friends with you for like for a bar tab or whatever. So like, he, he paid for me to go to Mexico with, with them. That was my birthday present. 00:59:56:11 - 01:00:12:19 Unknown But like, I always try to like, take care of things that I mean, technically me buying DJ a movie ticket, which every time we go to the movies, I buy his ticket. That's me spending more of my net worth it than him sending me on vacations on like, actually, we're even. 01:00:12:21 - 01:00:16:09 Unknown Net worth. Right? Well, and not only that, if 01:00:16:14 - 01:00:21:16 Unknown you drive to the studio every time you guys record, I'm his Uber driver 01:00:21:21 - 01:00:24:13 Unknown What's that? I'm his Uber driver. 01:00:24:15 - 01:00:39:18 Unknown Oh, up there for a second. That's hilarious. I know he mentioned something about getting his car, his new car, and then he had talked about his his other car that he had for like 12 or 15 years. 01:00:39:18 - 01:00:48:10 Unknown I mean, they have like 60,000 miles on it. I'm like, Holy Carl, that's crazy. He does not drive ever. 01:00:48:10 - 01:00:59:05 Unknown yeah, I'm like a I'm a built in activity partner for him. Like when he has to go do something that he doesn't want to do alone, he knows that, like, I'll, I'll tag along with him or I'll drive him there or whatever. 01:00:59:05 - 01:01:05:09 Unknown So it's like, yeah, like that counts. Time as money. 01:01:05:11 - 01:01:08:16 Unknown Like I said, you guys have a beautiful, beautiful friendship. 01:01:08:16 - 01:01:10:16 Unknown I wish more there was more 01:01:10:20 - 01:01:14:17 Unknown people that have that and more people out there that 01:01:14:19 - 01:01:15:07 Unknown were 01:01:15:11 - 01:01:15:18 Unknown that 01:01:15:18 - 01:01:27:14 Unknown compassionate with each other and just not. There's so many people that are out for a number one these days. And having that compassion is just it's a lost thing. 01:01:27:14 - 01:01:29:22 Unknown I truly think it is. Yeah. 01:01:30:04 - 01:01:49:21 Unknown I think it helps. Like we met seven years ago. So it's like, you know, you're fully formed adults when you meet. I don't I had never seen anything that DJ had ever been in. Like I think I saw Road Trip when it came out, but like I wasn't a fan of DJ, so it didn't behoove me to befriend him for his status or anything like that. 01:01:50:02 - 01:01:54:11 Unknown We became friends because we were at Jim Jeffrey's house, sitting around his, 01:01:54:15 - 01:02:02:18 Unknown picnic table in the backyard, talking until 7:00 Am. Like Jim went to bed and we stayed there and talked and like, we're like, oh, we're going to be friends. So, 01:02:02:18 - 01:02:08:08 Unknown that helps. It's like he doesn't think that I that I'm friends with him for any type of status. 01:02:08:08 - 01:02:17:20 Unknown And, and obviously I don't have any status I could give him. So it's like it's, it's we have this mutually beneficial kind of situation that works out for both of us. 01:02:17:21 - 01:02:36:05 Unknown And at the end of the day, we just want each other to be happy as long as it doesn't inconvenience us. That's one of our favorite lines, like, I want you to be happy as long as it does not inconvenience me in any way whatsoever. 01:02:36:07 - 01:02:41:01 Unknown That is great. Well, and with both of you have had, 01:02:41:03 - 01:02:53:00 Unknown bouts with, mental health, dealing with mental health and stuff like that and the way that you guys address it together, it is really, truly a beautiful thing. 01:02:53:00 - 01:02:58:08 Unknown Oh, what is the personality? Blame it on Steve. That's one thing. 01:02:58:13 - 01:03:15:22 Unknown It was not the guy's name. Yeah, yeah. Foxy, when you're having, certain thoughts and stuff, but with your career change and going into comedy and writing and podcasting and stuff like that, how that kind of helped your mental health 01:03:16:02 - 01:03:26:07 Unknown journey. But it also seems like with the two of you that it helps with that as well. For both of you. 01:03:26:09 - 01:03:34:17 Unknown Yeah. I think like one of the biggest struggles that I was dealing with when it came to like support for my mental health was 01:03:34:17 - 01:03:48:06 Unknown have a unless somebody has been through what you've been through, it's really, really hard for them to understand. But also everybody wanted to fix it. And I'm like, I, I don't want you to fix. 01:03:48:06 - 01:03:56:19 Unknown I just need you to hear this thing. And like, so I think I remember telling DJ, we actually my ex DJ actually knew him too. 01:03:56:21 - 01:04:07:19 Unknown But one of my favorite things about him was that when I would talk about, like, being really depressed or if I was having suicidal ideations again, he would not try to do what everybody else does, which is like, what do you mean? 01:04:07:19 - 01:04:34:19 Unknown Like, if you were gone, everybody would be so sad. Everybody loves you. He would just go, I know, I get it, kid. Life fucking sucks. And like, that's all I needed to hear just to be like, okay, I'm not crazy. Like, I somebody else gets that shit is really hard right now. And so DJ and I are very similar on that wavelength where it's like we, we just validate each other where he's like every pretty much every weekend when he's at a convention, he'll be like, I need you to acknowledge how tired I am because I work very hard. 01:04:34:19 - 01:04:54:03 Unknown And I was like, you do you do work very hard and you deserve a drink. And I just do this little like toddler validation. But like, that works, you know, because like, he he can't he doesn't ever want to complain to anybody about about how tired he is because he appreciates everything he's got going on so much. But he also is so tired. 01:04:54:03 - 01:05:05:04 Unknown And he just he knows that I will validate that and be like, I know that's fucking crazy that you had to do that all weekend. Like, at least you can come home and chill and you know, it's like you just need somebody who gets what you're going through. 01:05:05:07 - 01:05:06:21 Unknown And yeah, we can be that for you, too, right? 01:05:06:22 - 01:05:07:08 Unknown Cool. 01:05:07:08 - 01:05:09:17 Unknown Yeah, I love that. There was, 01:05:09:17 - 01:05:29:21 Unknown one episode that I listened to that he was all up in your grill because you ruined his joke or something. Oh, yeah, and it was something about a text message. And he kept texting you, and he kept texting you, and you're like, I don't get it. He's like, you ruined my joke. 01:05:29:23 - 01:05:47:12 Unknown And I don't even remember. It was like, insinuate or, saying the name that you were supposed to. You're like, I didn't get it. I'm sorry. Yeah, yeah, I remember, I don't remember who it was, but I remember, Yeah. Last night he was texting me. He he texted me some joke, and he kept elaborating on the joke. 01:05:47:12 - 01:06:01:19 Unknown But in the meantime, I didn't know he was still going with it. And so in the meantime, I was like, oh, by the way, these three dudes tried to break into my neighbor's townhouse the other day and like, it was a big to do or whatever, never responds to my texts. And I said, just keeps going with his joke. 01:06:01:23 - 01:06:17:11 Unknown Still has not even acknowledged that my plates almost been broken into, because probably he's probably still doing that. I had the the audacity to text him about the break in when he was still working on the joke. You know, his jokes are very important to him. Oh my gosh, 01:06:17:12 - 01:06:21:17 Unknown ended. Ha ha ha is amazing. 01:06:21:19 - 01:06:31:13 Unknown the relationship is just it is truly beautiful and you guys are so good to balance each other and stuff like that. 01:06:31:13 - 01:06:32:14 Unknown It always surprises, 01:06:32:14 - 01:06:56:16 Unknown people that, like, start podcasts with somebody that they don't. I mean, granted, unsolicited, we didn't know each other before we started that. But but like for, for like bigger name people, they start these podcasts where they're like, oh, you, why don't you do this with another influencer? And I'm like, I just can't imagine, like it's hard enough to drag ourselves to the studio and all that stuff like that is the biggest hurdle to doing the podcast. 01:06:56:16 - 01:07:13:19 Unknown But like, I can't imagine sitting there for a couple of hours and not chatting with somebody. I really enjoy chatting to, like have really good chemistry with or whatever it would be. It would be really hard to suffer through doing that all the time with somebody that you didn't have an established relationship with. So I don't know how they do that. 01:07:13:19 - 01:07:20:10 Unknown It is difficult and like with Jeremy and I, we started off doing more of, 01:07:20:13 - 01:07:59:01 Unknown one person telling the story and the other person kind of bantering or, you know, commenting or whatever. But we had such a hard time with we live together, we work together. We are together 24 seven. Yeah. So it got to be really hard to have that natural flow and banter when you're doing an episode a week that we went to more of a scripted style because it worked better for us, but then we add in interviews so we can still have that fun and banter and but it's with people that we don't live with 24/7. 01:07:59:03 - 01:08:25:13 Unknown Yeah, yeah, but Jeremy and I are an oddity because a lot of times with married couples, you have the space of having your 9 to 5 that you go to and you come together at the end of the day. But we're together 24 seven usually. So but it just worked better for us. But I like that we can do the other outlets with interviews and stuff and still have that fun. 01:08:25:13 - 01:08:34:16 Unknown And yeah, and getting to know people is we've met some amazing people in the podcast world and 01:08:34:18 - 01:08:38:08 Unknown we continue to meet more. And oh, I had mentioned to you, 01:08:38:13 - 01:08:50:08 Unknown about the omen House. I never responded in our, chat on Instagram. So the omen house is in California. It's in LA, and it's next door 01:08:50:10 - 01:08:52:01 Unknown the Charles Manson family. 01:08:52:01 - 01:08:52:12 Unknown Murdered? 01:08:52:14 - 01:08:53:20 Unknown Sharon Tate, 01:08:53:22 - 01:08:54:21 Unknown and, 01:08:54:23 - 01:09:14:04 Unknown was it Joe Sebring? I can't the names are failing me now. But anyway, we interviewed the guy that owns the omen house, and he invited us to come out there and do an investigation. So I was going to say when we'd go out there, if you would be interested, you should come with us, son. 01:09:14:06 - 01:09:15:11 Unknown And, you know, 01:09:15:11 - 01:09:15:23 Unknown 01:09:15:23 - 01:09:32:10 Unknown Yes. And David is. He's a wonderful, wonderful guy. Various eccentric. And, again, words are hard. I screw them up all the time. But I know you guys aren't too far from there, so, 01:09:32:16 - 01:09:40:09 Unknown when we get out there, we're hoping sometime this winter. Okay, that I'll let you know, and then we'll have to go in there and check it out. 01:09:40:11 - 01:09:41:18 Unknown Definitely. That would be fun, because 01:09:41:20 - 01:09:47:19 Unknown Yeah, I think it's Beverly Hills, so it's like it's. Is it Beverly Hills? Like 15 minutes from where we are? Pretty much. 01:09:47:22 - 01:10:06:19 Unknown Okay. Very cool. 15 minutes normal or 15 minutes on a busy day. All right. Norm, traffic is crazy. You don't have to take any freeways to get there. So generally, it's pretty, pretty predictable how long it'll take. So easy. It's an easy drive. Yeah, I know it's in the hills. 01:10:06:19 - 01:10:23:03 Unknown Very cool. But, yeah, we'll let you guys know for sure, because when we were recording with him, he, had a couple of things set up on the side, and he thinks his house is more kind of like a portal. 01:10:23:03 - 01:10:41:15 Unknown It's not necessarily the people next door that are still there, but he has seen them or had the experiences or whatever, but he thinks it's kind of a more of an open portal because the land is is charged. It's, you know, there was 01:10:41:15 - 01:10:48:00 Unknown Indian burial grounds there, plus it's rock, which is a conduit for the paranormal and stuff like that. 01:10:48:02 - 01:10:54:17 Unknown But anyway, we're sitting there recording with him, and he had a couple devices set up on the side, and one of them was like one of those, 01:10:54:18 - 01:11:09:15 Unknown hotel bell type things where you just tap, you know, tap for service. And all of a sudden this bell just went off and I'm like, what was that? And he's like, oh, I sort that stuff up because the spirits will communicate when I'm recording or doing lives and stuff like that. 01:11:09:15 - 01:11:30:14 Unknown And then I think he had a button in his hand so he could. I would still be interesting to check out how a lot. Oh yeah, I, I, I fully surveyed got a lot of well I can't wait to be one. I think I'm going to have so much fun. Yeah. So I'm, I'm all in on paranormal stuff. 01:11:30:16 - 01:11:31:05 Unknown Well, and then 01:11:31:05 - 01:11:49:19 Unknown I heard you say that you always have the question of would you haunt your friends or your enemies if you were a ghost? Good way to get to know somebody. And I agree with your answer. Yeah, definitely. 01:11:49:21 - 01:12:13:22 Unknown But, well, I'll tell you, I don't want to take up too much of your time. I know you have family in town and we are so grateful that you took the time to come on and do an interview with us. And I look forward to getting to know you more. Ask her at least about her, her name, or she get her pseudo name and oh, the the Kelly Blackheart. 01:12:13:23 - 01:12:20:00 Unknown Yeah. I. 01:12:20:02 - 01:12:22:12 Unknown No surprise here. There is a story to this. So, 01:12:22:12 - 01:12:30:03 Unknown I, back when Myspace was around, I just had Kelly Blackheart, like, just as a fun, fun thing. But then, 01:12:30:05 - 01:12:35:22 Unknown I lost $12,000 by having my real name on Facebook, and I also, 01:12:36:00 - 01:12:40:16 Unknown my ex boyfriend from college, his girlfriend at the time, now wife, 01:12:40:16 - 01:12:49:15 Unknown submitted my nudes that were on his computer from years prior to, a revenge porn website, and it linked to my Facebook. 01:12:49:15 - 01:12:54:10 Unknown And so I was like, okay, well, I'm not having my real name on social media anymore. Like, 01:12:54:12 - 01:13:09:14 Unknown so it was just like, I lost. I lost money because it was I was doing an egg donation in India. And as I was flying over there, the the guy who was in charge of the medical tourism agency, I guess was like spying on my profile to see what I was doing. 01:13:09:16 - 01:13:27:17 Unknown And I had mentioned that we each had one drink on the plane, which was totally within the rules, like I hadn't started medication yet. I'm six to like, what is one drink going to do to me anyway? And so that was kind of his way of like saying, well, we're not going to pay her then, because she's not, she's not following the rules. 01:13:27:17 - 01:13:38:07 Unknown And my agency was like, no, she she hasn't started. She won't start the meds for four more days. Like, this is totally fine. Anyway, it turns out he was basically a giant swindler anyway. Like, he he 01:13:38:10 - 01:13:38:20 Unknown stole 01:13:38:23 - 01:13:45:18 Unknown hundreds of thousands of dollars, if not millions of dollars and fled the country like this. Was. This was a guy that I think I want to say. 01:13:45:18 - 01:13:47:01 Unknown He was like on Oprah back 01:13:47:03 - 01:13:48:12 Unknown in the day. 01:13:48:14 - 01:14:03:00 Unknown Rudy, Rudy, Rupert or something like that was his name. And so he would like, set up all these, like, donations and then all of the money that was in the funds to go to the donors and the health care and all that stuff. He just took all the drained all the money from the accounts and fled. 01:14:03:02 - 01:14:08:07 Unknown So initially I thought it was about my Facebook name, but ultimately I was never going to get that 01:14:08:10 - 01:14:09:14 Unknown money anyway. But 01:14:09:19 - 01:14:13:08 Unknown but yeah, as soon as as soon as all that, I was like, no pseudonym. 01:14:13:10 - 01:14:19:05 Unknown Yeah. I don't know what I thought. You're going to say it, but it wasn't that. 01:14:19:07 - 01:14:30:17 Unknown Story of my life. I never. Yeah, yeah, I was there's a great story behind every last. My real last name. Right. Though. 01:14:30:23 - 01:14:41:19 Unknown Did I, I was worried about that. If you were a telemarketer, I would just ask you. My parents. 01:14:41:21 - 01:14:45:20 Unknown That's always how we knew that I was somebody that shouldn't be calling. 01:14:45:22 - 01:15:04:11 Unknown Because they said it wrong. Yeah, I'd be like, is Mr. is a broski there? And I'm like, there is no R and that we're going to hang up now and I know well, I grew up with a very simple last name, but people still mispronounced it. 01:15:04:11 - 01:15:12:16 Unknown My last name was cook. Ha. How how c o okay, but how can you even cook that? 01:15:12:18 - 01:15:33:22 Unknown At Coq? I'm like, no, it's not Kelsey H. It's not that one. But I had a lot. Or how do you spell it c o okay. That's but that is my trick for when I've forgotten somebody's name where I ask them to spell it, I'm like, so what was your name? Or how do you spell your name again? 01:15:33:22 - 01:15:52:23 Unknown They're like, j I am, and I'm like, okay, cool. I was just I was just checking. It's a it sucks when it's somebody really, really easy name. And you're like the way it's always spelled. But an interesting one for people to not be able to pronounce. Yeah. 01:15:53:03 - 01:16:05:14 Unknown I mean, my first name, I understand people misspelling it and stuff all the time because I have the odd spelling mine's Tracy with, and I am, I understand that, but the last name I was like, 01:16:05:16 - 01:16:23:15 Unknown But I was so happy when I got married, I'm like, I was so tired of that last name. And like, now my last name is Alexander. My long, a mile long. But I like it, and I don't get asked how to spell it. Yeah, as much as I did with cut. Yeah, it's for her. Yeah, exactly. But you're winning. 01:16:23:15 - 01:16:36:21 Unknown It's last names are funny. I am, I moved up in the world, leveled up? Yeah. The only reason I would get married at this point is to get a better last name. 01:16:36:23 - 01:17:00:07 Unknown Well, I don't know. I would I would change it legally. The black eye. But, that is, it is, like, really cool, I love that. So do you have any other projects on the pipeline coming down other than the, the horror movie movie and nothing. It's like to the point of talking about it. Yet I'm always like writing a few things. 01:17:00:07 - 01:17:07:09 Unknown I've got a couple of like, pilots that I'm working on that I need to get better at working on more consistently. 01:17:07:11 - 01:17:19:23 Unknown It's just like everything is in the notes in my phone, basically, like I have almost entire story lines written out, and I just like, my brain's like, put it in final draft, and I'm like, I can't, it's going to be too hard. 01:17:20:00 - 01:17:53:03 Unknown Like, I'm I'm very much a perfectionist. So if I'm like, if the first draft isn't perfect, the first time I do it, I'm like, this sucks. And so that's why I do everything in my phone, because it's not technically a first draft yet. And so I really need to get over that because that's I think I'm I'm thinking about challenging my challenging myself to do like, like a month long writing challenge where I have like a bucket of main characters locations or like motivations or whatever. 01:17:53:03 - 01:18:09:17 Unknown And I just pull three things and I have to write a really bad script a week and like to to tell myself that it has to be really bad takes the pressure away, because I'm not expecting it to be good. But editing is so much easier when something's on the paper and like, maybe this will spark some other ideas. 01:18:09:17 - 01:18:22:22 Unknown And so that's what I'm planning on doing, probably after the holidays, because I think at this point the your shot where we're in October and I'm like, we got to wrap it up and I will visit this again next year. 01:18:23:00 - 01:18:33:00 Unknown Yeah. That's that's a 2026 probably. Yeah. You got Halloween, then we got Thanksgiving. I'm going, I'm going on the supernatural cruise with DJ. 01:18:33:03 - 01:18:45:08 Unknown So yeah. Oh, that's right. It, that's going to be a lot of fun, even though cruises are kind of sketchy, but, I just hope it's not like the poop cruise. That one just. 01:18:45:11 - 01:18:45:20 Unknown Right. 01:18:45:20 - 01:18:59:08 Unknown Right. That's the first thing that came to my mind. Terrifying. Well, speaking of Halloween, the one question I would love to ask you is, I know you had an experience with, 01:18:59:11 - 01:19:16:08 Unknown a haunted Alexa where your Alexa was going crazy on you. Have you had any, other paranormal experiences? Nothing super crazy, but like, I back in, I guess it probably would have been like, just out of college. 01:19:16:08 - 01:19:36:08 Unknown I went and did a photo shoot at, Cal State Channel Islands, which used to there used to be like a mental asylum there or something like that. And it's. So we went into that building and as I was like walking in the hallways, it was very creepy just walking in in general. But I had a BlackBerry at the time. 01:19:36:08 - 01:19:53:22 Unknown I took a picture and there was like a line straight through the picture where the top of the image was on the bottom. It was like flipped like that. And I was like, that's weird. And so I took another one and it kept doing that. I could not take a picture of the hallway. And then as we walked down the hallway, the pipes would start clanking really, really loudly. 01:19:53:22 - 01:20:00:15 Unknown But like the clanking was following us. So it didn't happen when we were in the front part of the hallway. And then, 01:20:00:18 - 01:20:09:20 Unknown what was the last thing that happened? I think when we were in like there was like a big gymnasium. I don't know if it was a gymnasium or just like a conference room or something like that. 01:20:10:01 - 01:20:30:14 Unknown The lights started flickering on and off when we were taking photos in there. So it's like that stuff where I'm like, that would seem really random. Like, the clanking I can, I can conceptualize the lights, I can conceptualize, but like, the picture, I mean, not physically being able to take a photo of this hallway without it warping in my phone. 01:20:30:14 - 01:20:32:01 Unknown That doesn't make any sense to me. 01:20:32:03 - 01:20:47:23 Unknown Yeah, yeah. That's crazy. We are going on, investigation November 7th, eighth and ninth with the team that we met at Crypto Con last year. And I've kind of become friends with their doing, 01:20:47:23 - 01:20:54:03 Unknown an investigation of Melbourne Manor in Iowa. And so we're going to go there Friday night with them. 01:20:54:03 - 01:21:18:04 Unknown And then we're doing an event with them on Saturday. So this will be my true first. Like authentic investigation. I'm a scaredy cat. Yeah. Hahaha. So I'm excited because I really Jeremy has never had any kind of paranormal. He he's never had anything that's made him a believer. Okay, and I grew up in a haunted house, 01:21:18:06 - 01:21:22:04 Unknown so I'm excited for him to have an experience. 01:21:22:06 - 01:21:42:11 Unknown But if I haven't too much of an experience, I'll probably end up back out in the car. I want to, I want to experience. I want to probably make me walk home. Yeah, I do that. Oh, just let him know that you're there cause me, yeah, yeah, yeah. 01:21:42:11 - 01:22:06:10 Unknown We went to a graveyard near by our house, a couple of years ago, and we brought some, like, equipment. EVP, EVP, recorders and video cameras and whatnot. And as we're on our way there, it was just Jeremy and I. It took him a little bit to convince me to go to a graveyard at night. And as we're on our way there, he was talking about the black Eyed kids, and I'm like, what are you doing? 01:22:06:12 - 01:22:30:14 Unknown You're trying to get me to go here, but you're bringing up the Black Eyed kids. And then he starts. He's like, well, it could be worse. It could be hook, man. I don't like that. I've never threatened divorce ever in our relationship. But I threatened divorce that night. Okay. Yeah, we'll be fine. You. 01:22:30:16 - 01:22:32:17 Unknown I'm trying to. I'm trying to start. That's right. 01:22:32:20 - 01:22:43:03 Unknown Are you. Oh, yeah. I've already got the crows handled at my local park. They follow us around all the time. So now I just need the ghost. And I will be truly unstoppable. 01:22:43:05 - 01:22:45:12 Unknown Yeah. 01:22:45:14 - 01:23:07:15 Unknown That's awesome. Well, like I said, I don't want to take up too much of your time. I know you have family in town and stuff, and I appreciate so much you coming on, and we'll stay in touch about when we get out to California. And, I just, I'm just so excited that you did this for us, and I appreciate it so much. 01:23:07:15 - 01:23:28:08 Unknown Yeah. Thank you so much for inviting me. Thanks. Yeah, we appreciate it for listening to the podcast and loving it. Like, and and also like for letting me know that you love it. I think so many people are afraid to, like, send a message that they'd really like something like, I get so many messages, right. I'm so sorry to bother you, but I really liked this thing you did. 01:23:28:08 - 01:23:51:13 Unknown Or I like this. I think you're really funny. And I'm like, you are never bothering me with compliments. Please bother me more with those. So, like, I really I really respect when people reach out because like that's I'm very much like that too. Like I will like I don't care if anybody reads the message, but I want that to be there in case they do, where it's like, hey, what you're doing matter is being a creative is hard, and there's like so much self-doubt. 01:23:51:13 - 01:24:04:01 Unknown And so I always appreciate that people are willing to reach out and say nice things about stuff because we're like, we're being vulnerable and we're putting ourselves out there. And that's the only feedback we get, you know? So I appreciate that. So thank you for inviting me. 01:24:04:03 - 01:24:12:20 Unknown you are very welcome. And I hope to, continue to converse and get to know you even more. 01:24:12:20 - 01:24:18:15 Unknown You're just such a lovely person. I think you, you are just, you are very unique and special. 01:24:18:16 - 01:24:25:04 Unknown thanks, Kelly. We'll talk to you soon, okay? Thank you. Hi, Kelly. Have a great day. Yeah. You too. 01:24:25:06 - 01:24:45:13 Unknown Thanks for hanging out with us here at Total Conundrum. Please make sure to check out our website and blog at Turtle conundrum.com for news, upcoming events, merch, bloopers, and additional hysteria. You never know or pop up, so be sure to follow along if you want to show your support for Total Conundrum and gain access to all of our bonus content. 01:24:45:19 - 01:25:15:15 Unknown Please visit our Patreon page. You can also follow us on Facebook, Instagram, and Twitter. 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