00;00;00;00 - 00;00;09;29 Unknown That's. 00;00;09;29 - 00;00;31;19 Unknown And higher and higher and. 00;00;31;21 - 00;00;56;10 Unknown If you dig the twisted, admired the outlandish, and are enamored by the unusual, you're in the right place. True crime, the supernatural, the unexplained. Now you're speaking our language. If you agree. Join us as we dive into the darker side. You know, because it's more fun over here. Welcome to Total Conundrum. 00;00;56;17 - 00;01;08;08 Unknown One. Someone's first move. Born forward. Courtroom. Scarborough. This discussion is advanced. 00;01;08;08 - 00;01;33;14 Unknown All right, conundrum crew. Buckle up, because today we're joined by someone extra special. Not only is she our creepy, cool neighbor from over in Wisconsin and yes, the land of cheese curds, haunted taverns, and a couple of the most famous serial killers. But she's also an absolute master storyteller of the supernatural. She's got a passion for all things creepy. 00;01;33;21 - 00;01;59;22 Unknown She tells incredible haunted stories that'll make you sleep with the lights on. And her videos. Chef's kiss. They're the best. Please give a big ghostly welcome to our friend from Creepy Shit podcast star Azar. How are ya? Hi. Thank you for having me. Thank you for that really awesome introduction. Thank you. So, how have you been? 00;01;59;24 - 00;02;22;15 Unknown Really good. Things are awesome. It's summer right now, which, like, I love and hate at the same time. Like, I love it because we are big hikers. My family and I. But at the same time, I'm like, okay, it's too hot. I don't like it. And then it is an oven that humidity and heat. At least in Minnesota, it's. 00;02;22;16 - 00;02;30;09 Unknown Yeah, I know, and no offense, but you guys keep blowing it over here like. 00;02;30;11 - 00;02;45;05 Unknown You there? Yeah. It's it's been a really weird the weather. The summer has just been all sorts of rain. It's scorching hot one day, cold the next. You got that 20, 30 degrees swing. 00;02;45;05 - 00;02;50;24 Unknown I get so excited though, when I wake up and I'm like, oh my gosh, it's 60 degrees and foggy. 00;02;50;26 - 00;03;05;07 Unknown Thank. Oh yeah, we definitely have some of the weirdest weather. I, I just am over it. And the older I get the less I like it. Yes, I completely agree with you. I completely 00;03;05;07 - 00;03;06;07 Unknown agree with you. 00;03;06;07 - 00;03;08;03 Unknown Yeah. I don't remember 00;03;08;03 - 00;03;09;18 Unknown when we were kids and 00;03;09;18 - 00;03;14;07 Unknown the up and down and the scratching either, 00;03;14;07 - 00;03;16;17 Unknown and the things that I don't remember from childhood either. 00;03;16;17 - 00;03;43;00 Unknown Like I don't remember ever feeling cold in winter. Like I never remember feeling like I was freezing, like I do now in winter. And I also don't ever remember feeling boiling hot in summer as a kid. I'm like, what happened to the neutral like body temperature? I sure, it's crazy. Can I, yeah, a little bit. 00;03;43;00 - 00;03;50;26 Unknown Well, why don't you tell us a little bit about your podcast and where people can find you? 00;03;50;28 - 00;04;19;15 Unknown Oh, yeah. Awesome. So, my my podcast is creepy shit podcast. It actually started back in May of this year. So she's she's a fresh baby. Yay! Yeah. It's all about true historical hauntings, as well as even a few current stories I tend to cover a lot with. I noticed when I was looking at my outlines and my notes and stuff for future episodes, I'm like, wow, I have a lot of Wisconsin stuff. 00;04;19;17 - 00;04;44;05 Unknown So I was like, okay, that's good, but let's like start to keep it. I try to keep it very dynamic. I've done things on, the Myrtles Plantation in Louisiana. I've got some upcoming episodes that are definitely, disturbing, like Turnbull Cannon, which is in California. Those are going to be some future episodes coming up. And I've done some smaller things too, like, haunted salons. 00;04;44;05 - 00;05;05;23 Unknown That was a big one. All your video on that, I saw an episode. I want to definitely binge your podcast. I haven't had much of a chance. I've only listened to one so far. Right? Crazy busy, but I'm excited. You have some really good, fun stories. The Haunted Bridges is. And. Yeah, yeah. Oh. Thank you. Yeah, I, I so get it. 00;05;05;23 - 00;05;09;26 Unknown Yeah I know there's like I feel like there's so many podcasts and so little time. 00;05;09;26 - 00;05;26;01 Unknown But. Yeah. So. And where can everybody find you on socials. Totally. The main place to to hang out with me and reach out to me is at, at Creepy Shit podcast on Instagram. It is the creepy underscore underscore podcast. 00;05;26;01 - 00;05;39;27 Unknown Very cool. And check out all she's got a lot of shorts especially I don't I'm assuming mostly on Instagram, but I don't know. Do you do TikTok and stuff too? Oh my gosh, TikTok. 00;05;39;29 - 00;06;04;17 Unknown Like I I've been encouraged I am I'm part of a wonderful, group. And they've encouraged me. They're like, you really should. And I'm like, yeah, but I'm like 45 now, and I don't know, like if I should be on there, like, I don't know. And so but I let's put it this way, the app is downloaded and I'm perusing. 00;06;04;21 - 00;06;26;04 Unknown We'll see what happens when you've already got the content. It's not going to take you much just to put it on there. We drag our feet with TikTok too. And a lot of, what do you call them? Like the you do more of, like yourself. And I need better about doing videos like that with us. 00;06;26;04 - 00;06;27;25 Unknown we do more of the, 00;06;27;25 - 00;06;37;13 Unknown taking it trip from our episodes, and then I'll put pictures or video and stuff like that to it. So we have our voices, but I 00;06;37;13 - 00;06;46;00 Unknown don't have enough time most days to do the, the face ones. And I'm like, so I love that you do that. And I, I get nervous about that. 00;06;46;00 - 00;07;09;24 Unknown We do the video for the podcast and stuff, but just doing those shorts, like, I feel like I just don't, I don't know, I'm not. Yeah. No, I so get it. It's really it is a thing of like, okay, more people are probably going to pay attention. Yeah. And it's and it's weird. It totally is. I definitely had my issues with it when I first started. 00;07;09;24 - 00;07;31;08 Unknown And I look back and cringe sometimes at some of the stuff I did, like way before I ever started Creepy Shit podcast, I'm like, oof! Yikes. That hurts. Yeah. And I'm like, well, it's one of those things where it's like, it does evolve over time and it's like wine. It gets better with time, right? Right. And we get more comfortable with it. 00;07;31;08 - 00;07;56;04 Unknown And so I have a I'm much better at doing this kind of interaction with video versus looking at myself and talking and trying to. Yeah, I, I'm not I totally agree. And I think it's because I feel very strongly like props help. Like you have a microphone, you have headphones. There's other things going on than just you. Right. 00;07;56;07 - 00;08;20;12 Unknown And I think that that has a big comfort factor. It's like standing behind a podium during a presentation. There's comfort in that. Yes. Yes, definitely I agree. But yeah, we keep talking about Jeremy wants to get into doing like little skits and stuff like that. And we think it would be so cute. Yes, but it's just getting the time to do it and writing stuff up too. 00;08;20;12 - 00;08;39;28 Unknown So yes. And then going into I always say like, I think the biggest bitch is editing, I really do. Editing is just a pain in the ass. Like, I know words, yes, I have, that's why I like a lot of people have asked like, oh do you? How much editing do you take into your podcast? I'm like, honestly, not much because the less the better. 00;08;40;00 - 00;09;21;15 Unknown And I rather just keep it rolling because. Because honestly, like, ain't nobody got time for that. Like, what? I don't think a lot of people realize is how much work goes into podcasting there is. And you do have to love it. Yes. And you got to have the hours of research, the writing up your notes, the recording, the editing, all of the posting and promoting and then interacting with everybody and, like, keeping up with your, your fan base and the people that you're connecting to like it is it's almost like an entire job in and of itself. 00;09;21;17 - 00;09;42;17 Unknown And a lot of times like it. Not that it's about money, because for me, it's really not. But you're not getting paid for it. You know, you're not getting paid for that time. So it's truly out of love and devotion for what you're doing. Oh, it truly is. And it's funny, I hated writing papers in high school, you know, but I didn't, you know, in high school. 00;09;42;17 - 00;10;07;12 Unknown Oh, my gosh, I'm terrible. That's all I do research now. Yeah. Right. And and I always say I'm like, man. I'm like if, if, if I could go back and like be the history lover that I am now, I'm like, I guarantee you I would have aced history, but I hated history in high school. I did, yeah, because it's the rose colored glasses version. 00;10;07;12 - 00;10;24;23 Unknown It's not the history you want to know, it's the history that you allegedly have to know. And it's so boring. Like it's so boring. But when you win the super, you actually get to look at it. It's so awesome and it's amazing. 00;10;24;23 - 00;10;26;15 Unknown It really is. 00;10;26;15 - 00;10;41;07 Unknown Well, so we prepared a little fun game. Oh yeah. It's going to be kind of just like, a rapid fire where each going to give our answers, but we're going to do a little, would you rather paranormal edition? 00;10;41;09 - 00;10;57;16 Unknown Whoa! Juicy, I love it. You're ready? J no, I. All right. Would you rather spend the night alone in a haunted asylum or a weak camping in 00;10;57;16 - 00;11;09;08 Unknown Bigfoot territory? Oh, Bigfoot territory? Headstone. Yeah, yeah. Spooky location for me. Yeah, yeah, I think I would do the camping and Bigfoot. 00;11;09;08 - 00;11;15;27 Unknown Yeah, sure. Maybe. I don't know, but would think for that one. 00;11;15;27 - 00;11;39;09 Unknown So the alone in the asylum is a no go for me. Yeah, one of the asylum is a no go for me too. Like asylum. I asylum are are kind of a hard limit for me. There's a lot of trauma that goes in that. At least if I'm out by a campfire, if I need to haul ass and get out of there, I'm way more likely to succeed. 00;11;39;11 - 00;11;49;26 Unknown Yeah. My thing is, if we ever do go to Waverly or something like that, I always say I need a big group and I need some holy water. 00;11;49;28 - 00;12;00;24 Unknown All right. Next one. Would you rather hear ghostly whispers every time you shower or see a shadow figure in every mirror you look into? 00;12;00;24 - 00;12;01;13 Unknown 00;12;01;13 - 00;12;25;14 Unknown Whispers of. Oh, well, you got Jeremy as a skeptic. He hasn't ever had a true paranormal experience, and he wants to have one. He wants to. Okay. But for me, I would say the whispers, because I could drown him out with loud music or something else. 00;12;25;14 - 00;12;47;12 Unknown I don't know nothing. Looking back at me in the mirror. Hopefully that never happens. Otherwise we'd have to move and yeah, back everything up. Okay. All right. Next one. Would you rather get abducted by aliens once for 12 hours, or be haunted by a polite 00;12;47;12 - 00;12;54;06 Unknown ghost forever. Oh, a ghost forever. Yeah. I totally want to ghost forever. 00;12;54;06 - 00;13;14;00 Unknown That would be great. If they're nice. Absolute. Let's be friends, right. And I won't even name you Casper. I promise. Are you going to help me do my chores and fold my laundry? Maybe write a couple episodes, right? Oh, my gosh, that would be the best co-host ever. We. I didn't even think about that. How about you, Jeremy? 00;13;14;03 - 00;13;36;20 Unknown Yeah, I'm going to ghost too, because aliens probe. Yeah, man. Yeah, we don't need that. Again, aliens are no go for me. That that scares the shit out of me. Yeah. All right. Would you rather always feel a cold hand on your shoulder when you're alone. Or always hear footsteps behind you? 00;13;36;20 - 00;13;51;24 Unknown Oh, both royally suck. Neither. Yeah. I would say, I guess if I had to choose, I'd probably choose footsteps, because I could put headphones in. Okay. Jay, 00;13;51;24 - 00;14;02;06 Unknown I don't know. Footsteps, I guess, too. Yeah. I don't want an a cold, clammy hand I always touch. Yeah. Thank you. I'm really hard. I mean, then it might be nice. 00;14;02;07 - 00;14;36;06 Unknown Yeah. I just say that there's boundaries resting. Stay out of my bubble pretty good. Rubbed the back and you know, All right. Next one. Would you rather find a curse doll under your bed or discover a vampire living in your basement? Vampire? I want a vampire. No. Vampire. Yes. Absolutely. Best horror. Yeah. That's true. That is true, right? 00;14;36;08 - 00;15;01;08 Unknown How about you, Jay? Yeah. Vampire. Definitely a vampire. Yeah. Yeah. I don't really want a curse at all, so I guess I'm going to go vampire too, because, you know, I guess, you know, most people with these questions would probably say no to both. Well, yeah. Right. Yeah. That's why this has been pretty much. Yeah, yeah. That's what makes the game so fun. 00;15;01;11 - 00;15;28;19 Unknown But I suppose we could always have Jameson come over and, take care of the vampire for us. You watch the Lost Boys, right? Oh, gosh. Yes. Oh, yes. You remember the Frog Brothers? Yes. We had, Jameson Newlander. Oh, shut the front door. Yes. Oh, I love it. That is so cool. Yeah. And then we also, interviewed Chad Corey Hammond. 00;15;28;19 - 00;15;49;29 Unknown I never worked out. Yeah, I know, right. It's like, seriously, I had such a mean crush on him growing up. Oh, I think all of. Did you did you? Yeah, I did. I loved Corey him. Yes, I did too. Even the Ouija board told me that I was going to marry Michael J. Fox, and that didn't work out either. 00;15;49;29 - 00;15;53;00 Unknown So, I mean, come on, it's 00;15;53;00 - 00;15;57;14 Unknown okay. If you're going to tell me something, at least make it true, right? Right. Yeah. 00;15;57;14 - 00;16;14;29 Unknown Right. What's the. Would you rather have lived in a house with ten possessed? Or would you rather live in a house with ten possessed dolls, or have a job cleaning haunted graveyard at night? Oh my gosh, that's like my retirement dream. 00;16;14;29 - 00;16;35;05 Unknown Like haunted graveyards at night. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. No, I don't want to clean. Know up in one, please. Yeah. You want the possessed dolls? Yeah. I don't want either of them. So why? 00;16;35;07 - 00;17;01;05 Unknown I don't do very well in graveyards. I love, I love cemeteries, I love them, I am very, very respectful when I go, like, very respectful. Like I will not walk on lawn. I will stick to the path. Like, if I do have to cross, I am very mindful and cautious because I do believe in like I don't want anything following me home. 00;17;01;05 - 00;17;23;29 Unknown I want to be respectful. I'm not trying to tread on you like, but yeah, I love them. I used to live by one and it was my favorite graveyard. It was just massive. It's absolutely huge for being in such a small state of Wisconsin and like the landscape of it, just the landscape alone. It's just so peaceful and beautiful. 00;17;23;29 - 00;17;46;22 Unknown And I love it, I love it, but anyway, I digress. Sorry. Have you been to, Resurrection Cemetery? No. Where's that from? It's in Chicago or not? Illinois. What? Okay. What town was that in again? Do you remember? I don't remember. Well, the story there's the story of resurrection. Mary. Okay. And she's 00;17;46;22 - 00;17;51;07 Unknown the ghostly hitchhiker in white. 00;17;51;10 - 00;18;16;07 Unknown So you have to look into that. We did an episode on it. Okay. She seems to frequent Chet's Music Lounge, which is across the street from Resurrection Cemetery. What's really what's that? Was really. No, it's still there. Is that Stoller? Yeah. Bobby Mackey's was the one that they tore down. We went there to chat. The lounge. Oh, did. 00;18;16;10 - 00;18;49;29 Unknown Yeah. When we, We did a little Illinois tour one day, but Resurrection Cemetery is gorgeous. It has really beautiful mausoleums, very large, elaborate headstones. It's a definite must see. And it's huge. Oh my God, on forever and ever. It's beautiful. But we were there during the day, so I was okay, right? That's fair. Right. Let's see. 00;18;50;27 - 00;19;20;05 Unknown Would you rather become a cryptid for a year? Bigfoot, Mothman, etc. or be a ghost stuck haunting your workplace forever? Oh my gosh, ghost haunting my workplace? Absolutely. I have way too much fun with that. I would be such an asshole to, How about you, Jeremy? Yeah, I was going up the same way since, you know, our, work spot is already haunted. 00;19;20;06 - 00;19;46;02 Unknown And is. Is it really? Yeah. We think. We think so. Yeah. We, clean a couple daycares in the evenings and. Okay. One of them definitely has has some weird shit going on. Just the other night, I was standing by the front desk, and I happened to walk by the room, and there was a shadow that went across the room in the dark. 00;19;46;06 - 00;20;06;12 Unknown So the room was dark, but I saw a black shadow, and to me it's like it was probably you. And I'm like, no, I know how to, you know, I tried to recreate it, try to figure out, you know, like, again, he hasn't had anything truly happen except for you were in the bathroom cleaning and you kept hearing noises outside of the bathroom. 00;20;06;12 - 00;20;35;27 Unknown The other night, too. Yeah. So we keep having these little. Sounded like a teacher in one of the rooms, but nobody was that nobody over there. Wow. Yeah, we've had a few very, very creepy things happen there. And there's one night I literally stopped what I was doing, went upstairs, grabbed him, brought him outside, wouldn't even say anything while we were doing it, or going, you know, through the building till we got outside. 00;20;36;01 - 00;21;03;24 Unknown Like something came up behind me and blew on my neck. And, very, very freaky. But it doesn't seem like it's anything, like, malevolent. It's just kind of. Yeah. You for sure, doll or toys will go off here and there and stuff, but yeah, I he wants to investigate it. And I say hard. No, you don't investigate where you work or where you live. 00;21;03;26 - 00;21;13;08 Unknown I just yeah. I don't know. Yeah. I don't want it telling me it dislikes me and then stir shit up from there. Right. 00;21;13;08 - 00;21;15;16 Unknown Right. Last one. 00;21;15;16 - 00;21;24;09 Unknown Would you rather be able to see ghosts everywhere you go? Or hear all the thoughts of the living around you? So, boy. 00;21;24;12 - 00;21;24;29 Unknown Oh. 00;21;24;29 - 00;21;41;14 Unknown I don't think I'd want to know anybody else's thoughts. Like, sometimes you think you would, but no, you don't like, do you? Don't. Yeah, I think I would totally go with seeing ghosts. I think that would be that. And I think that would be kind of cool too. Could be a little overwhelming, but it'd be cooler than the other. 00;21;41;17 - 00;21;49;23 Unknown Yeah. How about you try to. I know what people are thinking. You know, it would be very loud. There's. Yeah. 00;21;49;23 - 00;22;11;18 Unknown And people can suck. Yeah, that's very true. All right, so let's, get to know star a little bit here. So, star, how did you come up with the idea for Creepy Shit podcast? And was there a particular incident or obsession that inspired it? 00;22;11;21 - 00;22;37;29 Unknown So I have always been a big lover of the strange and unusual that that whole quote from Beetlejuice has stuck with me from the very first time I ever heard it. And I fell in love with paranormal as a young kid. My mom had these, vintage, playing cards for war, if you remember how to play war, like the card game War, War. 00;22;38;01 - 00;22;59;01 Unknown But these were like face cards, and they were of the Addams Family, and they were so cool. And I really wish my mom still had them. I so do. And so we would play on her bed and we would play this before bedtime. And I remember the one day I asked my mom, I'm like, mom, who? Who are these people? 00;22;59;01 - 00;23;22;00 Unknown Like, who are they? And she's like, well, that's the Addams Family. And that's how I got introduced. And then I started watching the old black and white son Nick at night, and, fell in love with it. Then, you know, you get into, like, your high school days and the craft happened and the craft and scream and I was like, okay, game on, you know what I mean? 00;23;22;00 - 00;23;49;01 Unknown But then peer pressure happens and you become a weirdo. And it it not in a good way, you know what I mean? Like at that time. So I shoved my love down for quite a while until fast forward, before school let out this year. One of the the moms, mutual moms that, I know she had said, do you ever listen to morbid? 00;23;49;01 - 00;24;07;14 Unknown And I was like, no, I'm like, what's that? And she's like, it's like, paranormal, true crime. And I'm like, well, I'm like, I'm weird about true crime. Sometimes I'm like, sometimes it gets too heavy and too graphic because that shit is, like, really real. I said, so I'm like, I'm more of a paranormal person. She's like, no, they cover that too. 00;24;07;15 - 00;24;33;04 Unknown They cover that too. You need to listen. And I was like, all right, fine. So I picked up an episode and I was it was the spooky New Orleans episode. That was the very first episode I ever listened to. And I have a deep love for New Orleans. I want to go there. I love all the paranormal things that happened down there, like all the different mysteries that happen about being a portal and all the things I'm like, yes, all of it. 00;24;33;04 - 00;25;02;09 Unknown I want to go. I want to experience it. So, she I listened to that. Sorry. Back to back up the Charlie here. I listened to that. And there was this, conversation about, and the latest lethargic, which was like a medical horror thing that had actually happened. And I was enamored, and I was like, I need to find out more about this. 00;25;02;09 - 00;25;27;10 Unknown I'm like, everybody needs to know about this. I'm like, how do people not know about this? The fact that this could happen again? Are you serious? Like, oh my God, it's one of those like rapid diving rabbit holes happened for me. And at the time, I was right in the midst of ending my other podcast, I had, I have I have other podcasts experience, and I felt that I had gone as far as I could with those two podcasts. 00;25;27;10 - 00;25;54;05 Unknown I'm like, those episodes are there. I'm like, and let me tell you, they are far, far different than this. So I am like, I think I should do a podcast on true hauntings and paranormal and beginner weirdos and somehow make an environment and build a community for whether you are an experienced weirdo or you are a beginner weirdo of the paranormal. 00;25;54;05 - 00;26;27;25 Unknown And I wanted to create something safe for them because that was something that I never had, right? So I was like, well, I love podcasting. I knew I didn't want to give up podcasting, I just didn't know where I wanted to go. And then when I heard that, that's when Creepy Shit was born. And the title A creepy shit is kind of funny because I was researching and looking for different, like, inspirations for a title for the podcast, and so I'd come up with a title, I'd research, I'd be like, damn it, it's taken like, we want to do that in. 00;26;27;27 - 00;27;06;13 Unknown And I'm like, and then I got so frustrated with like, fine, screw it, creepy shit. It wasn't taken. So I was like, okay. And that's how it all came together. And, the encephalitis lethargic episode is my second episode, so very cool. And yeah, no idea what that is. Oh, it is like it is the most disturbing. Did you ever see the movie awakenings with Robin Williams and Robert De Niro back in like the late, like early I would say late 80s, early 90s probably, but I don't remember for sure. 00;27;06;15 - 00;27;32;00 Unknown So it's this it's like a sleeping disease and it affects the neurological brain. It's where you are literally stuck in. You are like, it's like a wake sleep paralysis, almost like you can see and you understand everything that is going on around you, but you cannot move, you cannot speak, and you are like, literally frozen in time. 00;27;32;05 - 00;27;57;29 Unknown Like, that's my worst nightmare. Yeah, right. And the thing is, is it? It happened right around World War two and it affected like it hit like a plague. And all of a sudden then it was just gone and it just vanished. And nobody understands why or how. What even brought it in to begin with. And the fact that it could still happen, it could very well still make a comeback. 00;27;57;29 - 00;28;35;02 Unknown And I'm like, you know, I think we've had enough pandemics for this century. Can we be pulled off? And all of like that story of the dance, the, the dancing plague? Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yo. Hold up. Everybody's dancing in the street, I mean, and dying and then just disappears. Gone. Yes. That's crazy. Well, that's very cool how that kind of inspired you to go into the next, you know, chapter in your podcasting and stuff like that. 00;28;35;02 - 00;29;09;28 Unknown And that's I just love listening, hearing how people get into it. And you know, what inspired you and the process and stuff like that. It's fun because it it usually is pretty similar, but I just love hearing everybody's unique experience with it. And I learned something new and I'm very terrified of that. Oh, right. Do you or have you ever had, like a spooky encounter or something. 00;29;09;28 - 00;29;24;14 Unknown So the Carl's story, is really unique. So this happened in a salon. The first salon that I ever worked for was absolutely, positively haunted. It was a very old building. 00;29;24;16 - 00;29;46;21 Unknown It actually had an underground tunnel that was used in bootlegger digs that was like, closed off and all of that. So it it was definitely the there was a front room, in that building that like, nobody wanted to go into, like, nobody just everybody had a bad feeling about it. Nobody liked it. Whatever. So, 00;29;46;21 - 00;29;50;03 Unknown it's Earth Month and Earth Month because it was in Nevada. 00;29;50;03 - 00;30;10;05 Unknown Salon. Aveda is very earth friendly, very giving back to the to the waters and all the things. And back in the day, you had those, charity events where you would like, sign a piece of paper of like a little cutout. And then it was showing that you, like, donated to the cause and you'd, like, hang up. And you know what I'm talking about, right? 00;30;10;08 - 00;30;30;21 Unknown So there was one major marketing piece, and it was a huge blue man cut out of, like, what you see on like, a restroom label. And so me being the quirky, dorky self that I am, I'm like, well, we need to name em. And then the girl that I was working with, her name was Patty. She's like, well, what should we call them? 00;30;30;21 - 00;30;47;28 Unknown And I'm like, I don't know, how about Karl with a K? And she's like, okay, whatever, you know? And we just kind of hand it off. And so she's like, well, you're pedicures here. And I was like, okay, fine. So I like grab my pedicure. I go back, I sit down and she starts crying and she's bawling and I'm like, oh my gosh. 00;30;47;28 - 00;31;15;16 Unknown I'm like, are you okay? What's wrong? What's going on? You know, I'm like, I don't want to pry, but are you okay? And she's like, yeah, I'm okay, I'm okay. She's like, she's like, it was just too weird what happened out there. And I was like, what? And she's like, the weird thing is, is my mom and I are here today to celebrate my father's passing, which happened one year ago today, and his name was Carl with a K. 00;31;15;19 - 00;31;44;02 Unknown No. Yeah. So that, like, I don't know what you would call that because it's like something channeled through me, unbeknownst to me. And I've allowed some sort of like piece. And she even said she's like, I just felt like he was telling us that he's okay and that, like, everything is okay. And to celebrate him is wonderful and that he's happy and he's at peace. 00;31;44;05 - 00;32;08;10 Unknown And she's like, that was just too, too weird. And I was like, no, it is too weird. I'm like, that is definitely weird. And then one of my other favorite ones is for, a short time in history, I worked in a chiropractic office, and the chiropractic office was a, assisted living place before it became a chiropractic office. 00;32;08;12 - 00;32;30;26 Unknown And so the building is not terribly old, but moderately and definitely some people have passed away at that location and the building made like a loop. It was like a square loop. So there was one big room on one side, and then you go down the hall and you make a big circle. And so I'm in that back hallway and I'm all by myself. 00;32;30;26 - 00;32;57;02 Unknown And there is one room back there that is for one of the massage therapists. And I thought she was back there messing with me because I'm walking past her room and all of a sudden I get a pinch on my ass and it's like, what? And I like looks and nobody's around. And I'm like, what the hell? So like, I walk back around and here she is up at the counter and I'm like, girl, did you just pinch my ass? 00;32;57;06 - 00;33;26;04 Unknown It's just like, I would never pinch your ass. Okay, so and then she told me, and I how I cannot remember his name anymore, but she's like, he's a cheeky fellow. And I was like, really? And she was so cool because she was very much into divination and tarot and being connected with the spirit world. So it was so cool because I, I totally believed her. 00;33;26;04 - 00;33;58;26 Unknown I was like, yeah, that was too weird. Like, that was too weird. So you hear that a lot in with people investigating like prisons and asylums and stuff like that, that females will get those inappropriate touches. More often than a man would get in an inappropriate touch with, hey, boundaries. I like easy there, tiger, but that was kind of like a little fun, you know, kind of a fun loving, playful thing, right? 00;33;58;26 - 00;34;25;06 Unknown Oh, yeah. I took no offense to it. And every night when I would close up, the office, I would always say good night to him because I found out what room was his, so I. I always made sure I'm like, all right, I'll see you tomorrow and don't do anything I wouldn't do that. Before we started recording today, Jeremy built us these eight by eight studios, so they're side by side, but they're completely enclosed. 00;34;25;06 - 00;34;44;13 Unknown We have our own doors and everything. And so I closed up my studio, and I thought he went into his. And then all of a sudden I hear, knock, knock, knock on my door. I'm like a man. And nothing, nothing, nothing. So I opened the door. He's nowhere to be seen. I'm like, it's going on, right? It's like, are you messing with me? 00;34;44;19 - 00;35;11;18 Unknown Yeah. Not again. Knock knock knock. And I'm like, okay, so I open the door and he's not there. Like. So I get up, I go to his studio with the door open, and he's standing right there ready to start out, knock on the door again. He's like, catch me that fast. Okay, well, am I losing my mind or what? 00;35;11;21 - 00;35;38;06 Unknown Okay. But yeah, we love, you know, we love doing the whole paranormal. We've been trying to get into investigating a little bit. We bought some equipment, and I am more scared than Jeremy is. Jeremy is like, where are we going? And what are we doing next? And yeah, I will hide in the car. I love the research aspect because I can keep myself disconnected. 00;35;38;08 - 00;35;59;29 Unknown Like I love the research aspect of it, but like I've thought about like having like an EMF in the house and stuff like that. And I'm like, I don't know if I want to know. Like, I just don't know. Like, no, not my own home. No. Yeah, I right like I just don't know about that goes somewhere else and I'll be okay as long as it stays there. 00;36;00;03 - 00;36;29;20 Unknown But right now, black obsidian, black obsidian, black obsidian. We recently or last year at Crypto.com in Minneapolis, we met, Dave from Midwest Spirit Seekers and his wife, and they're going to be back at Crypto Con again this year. And we did an episode with them that'll be airing soon as well. But we told them that we'd like to go on an investigation, excuse me, an investigation with them. 00;36;29;22 - 00;36;53;19 Unknown And we're also going to have dinner with them, I think next month we're getting together and having dinner so they can tell us more of their, you know, because that's all they do. They do? Yeah. Paranormal investigation throughout the Midwest. So it's pretty cool. And are you, if you don't mind my asking, are you getting involved with with the fest like on a, on a podcast level or are you, like just going for the fun of it? 00;36;53;22 - 00;37;02;12 Unknown Just for the fun of it? Okay. Yeah. Just the fact that, well, if you want to call it fun, Jeremy would. 00;37;02;12 - 00;37;07;29 Unknown I want to not be afraid. I grew up in a house that was not 00;37;07;29 - 00;37;16;09 Unknown not very nice. Okay. And so I think I kind of shut myself off to it. And I'm trying to open myself back up to it. 00;37;16;09 - 00;37;47;09 Unknown I love Halloween, I love doing all that we do a haunted maze and stuff, and I love scaring the shit out of people in that aspect and whole putting that all together. But I won't go to a haunted house party. Has haunted like haunted house attraction wins don't appeal to me because there's so over the top to me that I'm like, no, no, no, no, I want more of the the the feel and the ambiance. 00;37;47;09 - 00;38;22;09 Unknown I don't necessarily need the visual, you know? Yeah. I don't like a much either. Yeah, I love doing it, but. All right. Well, we have, kind of got to know you a little bit and we played a fun little game. So I think let's transition into our next part where star is going to share a little bit of a story with us, like I said, this is such a great topic. 00;38;22;15 - 00;38;30;02 Unknown Yes. So, have you ever heard of Paul Bella in Italy? 00;38;30;02 - 00;38;51;18 Unknown I have, we, Jeremy and I watched the Ghost Adventures episode on it, and after we mentioned it, I listened to a few different podcasts while I was working to try to, see if there was anything that he didn't cover other than, you know, him getting demonically possessed or whatever when he was there investigating that. 00;38;51;21 - 00;38;52;14 Unknown Yes. 00;38;52;14 - 00;39;03;17 Unknown So I love the fact that, like the the Pavilion, Ireland started out like innocent enough. It's like this small 17 acre chunk of land 00;39;03;17 - 00;39;17;24 Unknown in, like the Venetian lagoon. And it was probably, in my opinion, I'm willing to bet that this island was probably really pretty. Like once upon a time, the building looks like it was gorgeous. 00;39;17;28 - 00;39;43;13 Unknown Yeah, like it's so pretty. So the Romans used it as a strategic outpost, and later it had a small lake fishing community. So people lived normal lives there. They raised their kids, they caught fish, you know, died of old age, like all civilized human beings. But then 13, 48 rolled around and everything went to, like, absolute shit. 00;39;43;16 - 00;40;11;29 Unknown So, yeah, the death plague, as it were, which is the Black Death hit Europe like a total apocalypse. We're talking about the bubonic plague that killed 30 to 60% of Europe's population. And Venice being a major trading port. Excuse me, was basically ground zero for plague. Plague distribution ships would roll in with half their crew dead, rats jumping off, carrying infected fleas. 00;40;12;01 - 00;40;26;24 Unknown Suddenly everybody is, like, dropping like flies. So the Venetians had a problem. Where do we put tens of thousands of plague corpses? When your city is built on water and spaces limited. So, 00;40;26;24 - 00;40;38;25 Unknown some genius bureaucrat looked at the map and said, hey, what about that little island over there? So here's where it all gets royally effed up. 00;40;38;27 - 00;41;05;26 Unknown They weren't just taking the dead to poor Valere. They were taking anyone who showed symptoms. So a cough. You're off the island. Fever. Severe black boils under your armpits. Don't let the plague purge hit you on the way out. Like, seriously? Like you're gone. So entire families were loaded onto boats and dumped onto the Pavilion Island to die. 00;41;05;27 - 00;41;27;14 Unknown Not to recover, not to quarantine until they got better. They were left to die because they get food. They didn't get water. They didn't do anything. Yeah, because if you even showed symptoms, then you were technically already dead. You just hadn't stopped breathing yet. So it was like a zombie apocalypse, you know? 00;41;27;14 - 00;41;33;10 Unknown So within a few years, Pavilion is like wall to wall with corpses. 00;41;33;12 - 00;42;07;09 Unknown And they started with individual graves, then mass graves. And then this is just disturbing piles like the smell was so bad that Venetian sailors could smell the island from miles away. And local fishermen stopped fishing in those waters because the stench would make them vomit. Like. That's disgusting. This is disgusting. You. So when they ran out of room to bury people, someone made the decision to start burning them. 00;42;07;11 - 00;42;41;08 Unknown And we're talking about massive, like funeral pyres that burned day and night. The smoke was so thick it could be seen from Venice, and the ash fell like snow on the surrounding islands. And here's the kicker the fires burned so hot and for so long that they turned the sand into glass in some of the places. And you can actually still find chunks of melted glass mixed with human bone fragments on the beach today, like if you were to go there. 00;42;41;08 - 00;42;44;11 Unknown So here's the question. You find this, right? Like you find the stone. 00;42;44;11 - 00;42;46;29 Unknown Would you be brave enough to pick it up 00;42;46;29 - 00;42;57;12 Unknown Palo Alto. Right. Like I feel safe way. Like no way. I'm not touching it. Like I'll look at it, but I ain't touch. I don't even know if I'd want to step foot on it, to be honest with you. 00;42;57;15 - 00;43;05;04 Unknown Like. Well, the one thing that I was when one podcast was talking about, even though these people were burned, 00;43;05;04 - 00;43;06;10 Unknown that plague 00;43;06;10 - 00;43;07;06 Unknown 00;43;07;06 - 00;43;16;21 Unknown you can't mess with those the ash for like a long extended period of time. Or you could get the plague from it. Yeah, 00;43;16;21 - 00;43;18;27 Unknown right. It does. No joke. 00;43;18;27 - 00;43;43;18 Unknown And by I think it was like by the 1630s, like 50% of the island was human ash. Yes. That's crazy. Yeah. It's insane. You're right. Like that is not metaphorically. That is literally like that. And once it's so like hundreds, like 100 to 150,000 00;43;43;18 - 00;43;48;18 Unknown total people by the time it was all said and done, I think so, yeah. 00;43;48;18 - 00;44;14;22 Unknown If I, if I remember in my notes correctly. Yes. Yeah. 160,000 corpses. Yeah. And some of them were not even dead when they burned them. Right. Like that's so messed up. Like you're on an island, you're being burned alive. You're drenched in stance on top of it. Not to mention the fact, like, you have no food, no water. 00;44;14;24 - 00;44;17;24 Unknown I can't even imagine because I'm sure like, 00;44;17;24 - 00;44;41;02 Unknown this is just how I think. Like, I'm sure at some point before you fully pass on you probably had to go to the bathroom too, you know what I mean? I don't even think of that. Right? Like, that is so messed up. Like most men, you know, like, holy cow, talk about a seriously, like just messed up time in history for this. 00;44;41;02 - 00;44;43;05 Unknown Like, so crazy. 00;44;43;05 - 00;44;43;27 Unknown So yeah, 00;44;43;27 - 00;44;48;09 Unknown it's just so definitely disturbing. So, 00;44;48;09 - 00;44;50;10 Unknown so I believe what happened was, 00;44;50;10 - 00;44;54;29 Unknown if I remember correctly, they, they wound up opening a hospital, 00;44;54;29 - 00;45;02;06 Unknown that was built using, like, existing structure structures from the plague area era. Because this happened in 00;45;02;06 - 00;45;06;27 Unknown they opened the hospital in like 1922. It was like a mental hospital. 00;45;07;00 - 00;45;08;25 Unknown And it was like, 00;45;08;25 - 00;45;14;02 Unknown decided. So they like, built it over these corpses, like over this burial ground. 00;45;14;02 - 00;45;29;00 Unknown So which I'm like, that's definitely not a good idea. Like, like, I just think that's a bad idea. So the hospital was built using existing structures from the plague era, along with new building. But the thing is, 00;45;29;00 - 00;45;33;00 Unknown during the construction, workers kept finding human remains. 00;45;33;03 - 00;45;43;24 Unknown And lots of them, like this construction foreman reported that they had to stop work multiple times to remove bones and skulls from the foundation site. 00;45;43;24 - 00;45;58;21 Unknown So the head doctor and I'm not going to name him because honestly, he he does not deserve to be remembered. He was a total sadistic piece of shit. Yeah. Who saw his patients as lab rats. 00;45;58;24 - 00;46;33;08 Unknown And this was an era of experimental like psychiatry time. And so. And he took, like, full advantage. He was, he did crude lobotomies. He had patients chained to walls for months. He did experimental drug trials that wound up killing people. He did torture to disguised as treatment. And there was several surgeries that were performed without any sort of anesthetic. 00;46;33;11 - 00;46;34;28 Unknown So truly horrific. 00;46;34;28 - 00;46;58;01 Unknown And the doctor had a particular obsession with the old bell tower from the plague era. He would take patients up there for treatments that involved strap putting them to stables, performing God knows what procedures, and patients who went up to the bell tower would rarely come back down the same. And if they came back at all. 00;46;58;03 - 00;47;10;25 Unknown So locals on the mainland had reported hearing screams from the tower that would go on for hours. The bell itself would sometimes ring at night, even though there was no one pulling the rope. 00;47;10;25 - 00;47;11;25 Unknown Now I 00;47;12;08 - 00;47;22;04 Unknown was listening to one and it was saying that they still hear that bell today, even though the bell has been removed. Really? Yes. 00;47;22;07 - 00;47;53;21 Unknown Oh, that is so creepy. Yeah, the bell was removed and people still say that they can hear it. And I absolutely believe that. I so believe that because there is, I did an episode on, Saint Mesons, which was like a cultural, religious, colony type based thing that happened in Wisconsin, and they wound up removed the bell from the church. 00;47;53;23 - 00;48;17;10 Unknown And people still say to that they can hear the bell. And I'm like, that is weird. That's weird. Yeah, it's scary. That whole I would never step foot on that place. I mean, oh, no way you're doing this. Walking on human remains great like that. Where you go, that is not. I'm not okay with that. I mean, you guys know how I am in a cemetery. 00;48;17;10 - 00;48;29;19 Unknown Like I'm not doing that. Oh, no, no no, no. So, the hospital did wind up, closing its doors, after the doctor died. 00;48;29;19 - 00;48;35;10 Unknown doctor allegedly had climbed to the top of the tower and he jumped. So he committed suicide. 00;48;35;10 - 00;48;41;22 Unknown And then after the doctor's death, the hospital struggled to maintain staff. 00;48;41;24 - 00;49;16;04 Unknown Nurses were refusing to work night shifts. Doctors were requesting transfers. Patients conditions seemed to worsen on the island rather than improve. Not surprise at all by that. And so the final straw came when an entire night shift, three nurses and a security guard was found the next morning, huddled in the main lobby, catatonic. They had barricaded themselves in and refused to speak about what they had experienced. 00;49;16;07 - 00;49;48;06 Unknown All four had to be hospitalized themselves. Wow, that is clear when I go back a second. So a couple of the different things that I read on the doctor is they said that people aren't sure if he actually committed suicide. Oh, really? You pushed? Oh, and he did not die from the fall. Really? You know, when he fell 00;49;48;06 - 00;49;50;13 Unknown and there was a nurse that went 00;49;50;13 - 00;49;51;29 Unknown to his aid 00;49;51;29 - 00;49;53;26 Unknown and she backed away. 00;49;53;28 - 00;49;59;15 Unknown And now this is allegedly. But she stated that, 00;49;59;15 - 00;50;02;01 Unknown something as a smoke 00;50;02;01 - 00;50;04;03 Unknown came up from the ground 00;50;04;03 - 00;50;28;00 Unknown and it basically covered his entire body like it was like suffocating him. And that's when he died. Now, that's allegedly right. It is known that the fall did not kill him instantly. Wow. So I was like, ooh, so some of these people are fighting back again. 00;50;28;04 - 00;50;51;19 Unknown Yeah. No doubt. Right. Again. Absolutely. And rightfully so. Like, honestly justifiable in all the ways. So yeah. So sorry. I just wanted to add that little tidbit that I had heard on yes. No. I'm glad. Oh my goodness. Because I know like the rabbit holes can go so deep in somewhere deep like they're deep. Yeah, yeah. I'm like seriously I it sometimes I'm always careful. 00;50;51;19 - 00;51;00;13 Unknown I'm like, okay, let's pull back. But no, I love I love knowing that now that is such a good like nugget for it. I love that 00;51;00;13 - 00;51;14;14 Unknown So in 1968, the Italian government, wound up taking very strong control over the island. They weren't allowing any sort of public access. No tours, no research expeditions. 00;51;14;14 - 00;51;59;15 Unknown They refused multiple offers from developers and paranormal investigators. And the official reason is structural instability and contamination, which, I mean, that's not wrong, you know? Right. Yeah. So, but despite the restrictions, people have made it to, Po Valley over the years and urban explorers, paranormal investigators thrill seekers, their reports tend to be, from what I could find, pretty consistent and remarkably so between like, physical phenomena and of like, of course, the temperature drops, the hand touching, grabbing, hair pulling, feeling like they're being watched constantly. 00;51;59;18 - 00;52;34;26 Unknown Audio as far as screaming and children crying. And this is so sad. But hearing like singing lullabies, there's been documentations of that and that's that breaks my heart. Like, seriously. Like I don't like that. No. Voices speaking in medieval Italian. A sound, of course, of the bell tower ringing. But yeah. So there was actually a, I think this is where, like, I found it into the ghost Hunters thing of the 2014 investigation. 00;52;34;29 - 00;52;48;01 Unknown And I'm thinking that's probably the ghost hunters investigation. Where the team of paranormal investigators managed to get onto the island with, like, all the equipment. And within an hour of 00;52;48;01 - 00;53;01;08 Unknown of arriving, every piece of electronic equipment started to malfunction. So they had cameras that stopped working. Audio recorders produced only static. Everything just kind of went haywire. 00;53;01;10 - 00;53;28;21 Unknown So. Yeah, it's it's just a wild, wild place, and it's still sits abandoned. The buildings are crumbling. You know, there's really no vegetation or anything like that. Tour Vogts or. Excuse me, not tour votes, tour boat that take visitors around the Venetian lagoon will point out the island from a distance, but they do not get close. 00;53;28;23 - 00;53;41;25 Unknown The guides usually mention that it's off limits, but they don't. I caught this little nugget which I thought was interesting, but they won't really explain why to a lot of tourists. So I'm like, I'm like, 00;53;41;25 - 00;53;50;17 Unknown because you know, it's true and it's creepy as shit, right? But, but I understand there's, a lot of water taxis that. 00;53;50;19 - 00;54;16;23 Unknown Yeah, well, they'll say, okay, I'll take you out there, but it'll be around 3 to $500. And they how they don't guarantee because it's very patrolled by the local police. And, they say if we get out there and there's a police boat out there, I'm turning around. Yeah, yeah. So they don't have the guarantee to get on the island. 00;54;16;23 - 00;54;18;01 Unknown Island? Yeah. 00;54;18;01 - 00;54;41;02 Unknown I wonder how that would work, too, because my guess is like. Which I think would be gutsy as all get out is if it were me and I was really determined to get to step foot on that, which, again, I wouldn't. But if I were, I'd probably do it in the most, like dead of night possible, no pun intended. 00;54;41;04 - 00;55;01;27 Unknown And I'm willing to bet you'd have to do it. Almost like a covert operation, like a spy. Like you got to have some scuba gear. You got to like, which you. I wouldn't want to go under the water either. Oh, no. Like that would be. My thought is that I think that would probably be your only way to make that happen. 00;55;01;29 - 00;55;09;10 Unknown I watched a YouTube video last night on this couple of urban explorers that went there, and 00;55;09;10 - 00;55;22;27 Unknown they got somebody to drop them off. They were able to get on the island and they were like exploring the buildings and stuff like that. They went to the prison. They went to, the mental hospital or they went to the living quarters. 00;55;22;27 - 00;55;49;00 Unknown And so they were going around and all the buildings and stuff, and they're even walking around on the island itself. It's dangerous because there's so much overgrowth and vines and. Yeah, yeah, lions. And I mean, they were tripping and falling and the they would go into certain areas and the ceilings were collapsing and but my big thing I kept thinking, I'm like, what if the boat can't come back for you? 00;55;49;00 - 00;56;10;27 Unknown Or what if he's like, I got money, I'm good right there. And that's terrible. What's going to happen? It's the ghosts are all going to attack. Yeah. And then you're stuck, right? And truth be told, my thought I'd be like, all right, so you want $500? Whatever the case may be to get me over to this island, I'd be like, all right, here's the deal. 00;56;10;27 - 00;56;26;13 Unknown I'm going to give you 200 now. 300 for coming back like I would try to negotiate my way, like, hard before I'd commit to anything. But again, I'm not going, you know? 00;56;26;13 - 00;56;44;06 Unknown But, yeah, it's the place is. It's just eerie. Just. Yes, it's it is super creepy just even seeing it on TV. But the other cool thing that I saw was that those urban explorers, it must. 00;56;44;09 - 00;56;55;14 Unknown I never realized, how much flooding they must have in that area. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The, the Venice gets flooded a lot. 00;56;55;14 - 00;57;05;16 Unknown Like there's a time of the season two where they literally, like, have to walk around on planks through. Yes. That's what I was going to say when they were there. They had these 00;57;05;16 - 00;57;16;19 Unknown temporary, stainless steel, like, walking platforms and stuff that everybody was having to walk through the town on. 00;57;16;21 - 00;57;50;02 Unknown I had no idea. It was just kind of the cool. It was cool. But, yeah, all these businesses that are all over the place. Yes. There was, this was a long time ago. I was watching something. I probably on the Discovery Channel, I don't remember, I, I was fairly young, but they had at the time, they were looking at how to avoid the, the, the constant flooding because the theory is, is that eventually, it's going to be all underwater, like a lost City of Atlantis kind of thing. 00;57;50;05 - 00;58;14;09 Unknown So they were trying to figure out like a way to control the water flow and the flooding, and they came up with, like, this damn idea of these, like, big, huge, like, double doors of, like, keeping the water out. But I don't know what ever happened to that. And I know like that is a constant struggle for them in Venice is that. 00;58;14;09 - 00;58;37;28 Unknown And I always think to like you think about how those buildings are built, like how is all of that not totally falling apart because there's got to be some corrosion somewhere. There's got to be, because if there's not, I'd be floored, like right by and then a big massive stone and you know. Yeah. And stuff. So yeah. 00;58;37;28 - 00;59;07;00 Unknown But the whole place just. I had never heard of it before watching that episode, and I had forgotten about it. And then we're rewatched Ghost Adventures recently as, like I was saying before our it was kind of our background noise and, watching that episode again, it was like I actually caught the whole thing about all of the bodies and the death and what was all going on with it. 00;59;07;00 - 00;59;22;20 Unknown And then you mentioned it, and I'm like, that's sounds familiar, real head with Google it and just saw the image and I was like, I do know this. Deep dive time, right? Yes. 00;59;22;20 - 00;59;40;20 Unknown But yeah, that is the craziest story. And then to even think I heard somebody say something that it may have been purchased now really like asking like an astronomical amount for the island. 00;59;40;25 - 00;59;41;29 Unknown Oh, I'm sure I'm, 00;59;41;29 - 01;00;02;00 Unknown And somebody I don't know for sure. I didn't get into any research with it. I just heard that. But the other thing that I didn't know, I don't know if you know this or not, but there is actually four islands. Oh, really? Yes. And I did not know that I had the same thing. 01;00;02;00 - 01;00;14;10 Unknown So there was actually I can't remember the name of the other island. That's right by it. But they say that there was even more death and cremation on that island than there was 01;00;14;10 - 01;00;40;12 Unknown on pavilion. Yeah. Oh, now that's interesting. So I didn't research. So we're going to say allegedly, but one podcast that I was listening to, they went into like all the history and how they had built these four structures on these islands, and it was back in like the early, like war times and stuff like that. 01;00;40;14 - 01;00;50;00 Unknown And yeah, I guess there's three other islands and those islands were also used during the Black Plague. Interesting. 01;00;50;00 - 01;00;59;04 Unknown I wonder if Pavilion is just the famous one because it was the first one, like could or had the mental hospital on it as well? Yeah, 01;00;59;04 - 01;01;02;13 Unknown interesting. I'm not sure. But again, I don't know for sure. 01;01;02;13 - 01;01;25;21 Unknown It was just something that I had, I had heard, I can't remember if it was on a podcast or if it was on those, those urban explorers that were talking about. I listened to a few different things. So I get it. I was like, oh, more dirt right? But did you have anything else you wanted to talk about with? 01;01;25;23 - 01;01;54;17 Unknown Yeah, I can't say that. I don't think so. I think that was everything I had. You did a great job. Oh, thank you. Great topic. Great deep dive into it. I love your storytelling. Oh thank you, thank you. And big pat on the back. I think yeah. Okay. 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