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Hey, y'all. Welcome back to Total Conundrum. Today, we've got a special treat for you. We're diving into the Wild West. Was none other than John from Dairyland, France. That's right. We're wrangling up some tales of the Old West, starting with the infamous Seth Bullock and the spooky shenanigans at the Bullock Hotel. I heard Seth wasn't just wrangling cattle.

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He was roping in ghosts to. You got it, Tracy. And who better to help us navigate through the dust dregs of history than our friend John? He knows more about ghosts than Casper himself. So

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Hey, everybody, we have a special treat for you today. We have John from Dairyland. Frates And as you'll notice, we are missing a person. Jeremy is not feeling very good. So we decided to go ahead because we already had to reschedule this crossover once because I was sick. So we're just going to go with it today. But hey, John, how are you?

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I'm doing really great, thank you again for having me on. And eventually, maybe we'll have to have all three of us on. Feel good? Yes. So a little bit. I was going to say, we're we're Midwest people, right? You're from Minnesota? I'm from Wisconsin. You're our neighbor. So the ultimate question, Vikings are Packers. come on, Packers. Yeah.

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Killing the air travel. I mean, yeah. I'm Jeremy today as you see in my lower thirds. That is funny. No there are some Wisconsin people that are are Vikings fans and vice versa. So I always I'm always terribly. It's all good fun. Yes. So why don't you tell us a little bit about your show and how you got into podcasting.

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Yeah. So really the main thing is I always loved the paranormal. I kind of grew up with my mom, actually. She loved the paranormal, too, which I always thought was really kind of funny. She had read this book about ghosts and about a gene serial killers in front of me when I was like eight. And I'd say to my mom, you know, Hey, mom, what's that all about?

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And she would not shy away. She'd be like, Well, honey, this is about this. And ghost. It was about this ghost. And so I really got my love from my mom, and she passed away about three years ago. So one of the things I was like, when I do this podcast, I'm kind of doing the spirit of my mom, too, because I know she would have loved listening to this podcast and other stories and everything.

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And the other thing too is I have some friends in the paranormal and we used to talk about it all the time. And then one day I said, You know what? I think I'm going to do a podcast about it because I have all these great stories and all these great friends who love listening to the podcast and, and as well as I found a great community, especially like I said with you, Traci, and all these other people who love it as much as I do, and especially in the Midwest, One of the things I wanted to do with my shows, I wanted to focus on the Midwest because people take it for granted because

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we're flyover state, right? You know, you fly over us, maybe, maybe occasionally you come here, you know, to see the far changing of colors or go fishing. But most people don't view the Midwest as frightening or scary or in. That's totally wrong. There are so many great stories here, so many great places that you can visit that are haunted and scary as heck.

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That would would you would not think about it because. Right. You think about bigger states, right? You think in York, California, Texas. But we have some pretty frightening things. Yeah. Yeah. You know, we definitely do. There are some, there's actually a sanatorium, for sale where I think it's. And then Payne County, which is right on the border of Wisconsin and Minnesota, that's for sale right now.

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And Jeremy keeps saying, we should buy it. I'm like, No, no, we shouldn't about need to own a piece of property. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it'd be it'd be cool for a while, and then you'd be like, we got to take care of it, too, you know? So does it collapse and kill people and hates us, you know?

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Yeah, right, exactly. So, you know, my podcast, like I said, a Dairyland Fright focuses on predominantly the Midwest. Occasionally we have stories from outside the Midwest some guests like to talk about. We've had guests from Canada, I guess from California, New York, Texas, who like to talk about their stuff, which is fine. That's great. But I was just really like, Traci just kind of focus on the Midwest and really let people know exactly, you know, hey, there's some cool places you should check out here.

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And especially in the Midwest, a lot of people are familiar with it. And really quickly, one of my favorite places, a place called Summer Wind. It's this mansion up in northern Wisconsin. Okay. Yeah, it's not there anymore because it has mysteriously burned down. But it used to be this gorgeous mansion off the lake. I mean, just think about just this beautiful mansion.

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You're next to a lake and it's just unbelievable scenery and you're in the middle of this beautiful rolling hills and lush forest. Yeah, they built it on top of a burial ground. Indian burial ground. Woops. Yeah, the fair. It was curse, by the way. The the tribe who was there basically, like we always do. We kick them out and we take over the nice places where, you know, for bad people sometimes.

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And so they put a curse on the land. Well, these richer, wealthier people in the 1800s or early 1900s built this mansion there. And then all these strange things started to happen. Also, there's this great story about this family who bought this like really cheap and they go buy it and the father goes insane and winds up threatening the family and everything and they have to move out.

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It's a crazy story. It's not there any more because like I said, it's been burned out. There's very few, how do I say, remnants of it left, right. But it's just it was like you never thought about it. You know, you were thinking mansions in New York, mansions in L.A. But this crazy story of these people who bought this mansion on this Indian burial ground and all these terrible things that have befallen people, again, that's why I love the Midwest.

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And it's just it's the tip of the iceberg. Well, it's like the Glen Sheen mansion in Duluth. Have you covered that one? No, No. Okay. Well, that one gets really interesting because it not only is was there the murder and the Glen Sheehan the lady went on to cause all sorts of havoc and she actually ended up in Mound, Minnesota.

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And that's where Jeremy grew up, was in Mound. So and there's other things that connect with Mound as well. And that's like Mound is kind of I don't know if you've heard of late Lake Minnetonka, that's like one of the most commercial lakes in Minnesota. Yeah, yeah. So Mound is right, a town right off of Lake Minnetonka. And so a lot of a lot of weird things have happened there too.

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But yeah, I mean, we definitely in the Midwest there are a lot like I was saying on your show, Jeremy and I went and investigated a poor farm cemetery in Duluth and that had, what, 4700 and some people buried there. And all of them marched with a little tiny cement piece that was stamped. And when you walk in there, you have to like, walk down this long path to get in there.

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And when you walk back there, you wouldn't even know it was the cemetery. There is only one thing standing up. It was like a little tiny shepherd's hook. And there's only, I think, two or three actual gravestones. The rest were just these tiny little cement markers, which are sad because if somebody doesn't go in there and take care of it, they're all going to be covered.

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And they were marked with basically a row and a row and a plot number. And Jeremy actually printed out, you know, the names and everything that go with that. But yeah, you have that haunted ship and Duluth. I mean, you've got haunted stuff all over the place, all over. And not to mention an CRYPTIDS. Yeah. So like we have Beast Debris Road, we have the Hodag in Minnesota.

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What do you guys have? We have supposedly have Bigfoot. We have the one. I always say it runs the wind. Wendigo. Wendigo, Wendigo. There you go. We have the wicked world. Supposedly we have a dog, man. I did a to episode not that long ago, too. I'm trying to think of every thing that was on there. Probably. I bet you have a you have to have a lake serpent.

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God. A couple of them. Yeah. Love them. We have a puppy from Lake Pepin. And then there's another one for From up North. Yeah, we definitely have the Lake Monsters as well, which are probably like the big eel powder, you know, whatever. Right. But yeah, there are, there are some lake monsters. Definitely. Yeah. I wish I had that episode on me.

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There was like once over quite a few of different ones and a lot of more crossovers that other people have, you know, like our Bigfoot is the skunk ape in Florida. And we had a fight with Nash Hoover from Chasing Legends that'll be coming out on two weeks. Well, it's going to be out by the time this episode goes out, so I guess I shouldn't date it because this app is compact.

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But he talks about the differences with the regional Bigfoots and stuff like that, and he's more a goes on with more of a scientific belief versus supernatural. So it was kind of fun and refreshing to hear a different viewpoint on it because you got some people think that big floods are sore loser because they come through portals and you've got the science side of it that says, No, they're not portals, you know.

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So it's kind of fun to hear the different, different views of it that I haven't heard before. So yeah, and not only that, but we also have your UFOs. You had your phone on Earth, right? Yep. I've never had one, but they're definitely yeah, I've never had one. We've had some major ones, like in Wisconsin. There was one off of one of our Sturgeon Bay where the UFO was supposed to be the size of like two football fields.

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And like 75 people witnessed this in like the 1940s. And I was just like, wow, I mean, it's crazy. There was a video I saw recently. I had put it in our our trailer trade group, I think at one point. But it was something that shot across the sky in northern Minnesota and it was caught by people's ring doorbells.

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And it was this light that just went shooting. And then all of a sudden it was off a screen and then you heard a loud just a massive boom and nobody knows what it was. Wow. It was crazy. It is crazy. I mean, you can't fake a ring doorbell, you know? Yeah, right. Yeah. There's no way you can.

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It's just recording all the time. It's not like you can edit. Yeah. So that that's what I love about doing my podcast is I just focus on that and sometimes outside. And then I love having the guests that like yourself. I'm one of my owners. Yeah. So do I have one of my favorite ones? I did have a practicing, which from the Netherlands.

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She was on the show and she was super interesting because her culture and our culture are totally ends of the spectrum. yeah. They don't have boards in the Netherlands. Well, good. They just got them right partnered up. However, they have so many legends, they have so many deep I don't stories into like evil and good and you know you know this is the place where the gods were, you know, like Thor, all the Norwegian gods were Odin and Thor.

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Unknown
And these you know what I'm saying? It's crazy how they and then she then the funny thing was, is and I'm going to do a episode about this is so she's a practicing Satanist. Okay? And it's not what you think. I've met say Yeah. And they're not people who kill babies. No, they don't bathe in blood. There's some of the nicest people around in.

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The reason she is is because, one, she's always had trouble fitting in. She's always had issues with. I don't know, just confidence. But talking to people like her who are like, Hey, just be yourself, right? You're a good person. You're a fine person. Don't worry about conforming to this or to that. Right? Right. Yeah. Different definitions to certain things.

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And then you've got the satanic panic of the eighties that really put them in a horrible perspective. I know. I heard I think it was on Kevin where the weird ones are. He had a red witch and she if I remember correctly, she practiced both light and dark magic but not even sure. Not not darkness and evil. But she's like, Where there's light, you need dark, you need that balance.

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Unknown
So I think she called herself. It was either a red mange or a red, which I can't recall now. But it was really interesting because I'd never I don't know a lot about witchcraft. I don't know how you do it. And it's very cool to all you know, with all these different podcasts that we are all a part of.

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I try to listen to. I try to binge everyone's podcasts and get caught up. But there's so many of us now that I'm going listening to you are just a few at a time, and then I'll go back and catch up. And because I love knowing the personality of the person that we're, you know, crossing over with and dealing with and stuff.

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And and I learned so much, so much about people and different things that I never, never knew about. So it's kind of it's very cool. Very absolutely. So before we get to the subject at hand, just really quick, I would tell my spooky friends out there and your audience, you can find me on Instagram, YouTube, Facebook. Also, I have tried to think what else I would like.

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Unknown
Pie being is my host, which I use. And, you know, don't feel afraid if you got a really scary story you want to share with me. I'm barely Dairyland fright at gmail.com, so just send me something. You know, you have a spooky story or or maybe a topic you want to want to cover. That'd be great. Definitely. There's a cold case in.

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Unknown
I can't remember what town it is right now. I'm trying to. We had a listener suggestion on this case. Never heard of it, but it's in Minnesota and it's a cold case from the fifties and I'm trying to there's a person who runs the Facebook page and they're getting very close to solving the case. And I've been trying to correspond with this lady to have her on because there's nobody better to tell the story than somebody who's been researching it for all these years.

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Unknown
And that was one of our listeners suggestions from Krystal. And so I've been trying to get that one going and I'm very excited to have this lady on. But right now she's a snowbird and so she's very busy playing golf and all the things in Florida and her available times do not correspond with mine. So I'm hoping once she's back in Minnesota, she'll have a little bit more availability to do that.

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Unknown
But I'm excited to do that one. I think that's very cool. I cold cases just blow my mind and I want to see, by the way, since we're from Minnesota, you know, you're from Minnesota. I'm from Wisconsin, from the Midwest. We'll try not to use our accents too much. Like, yeah, hey, you're talking we're laugh at that. Me and Tracy were laughing at my podcast, though.

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Unknown
Yes. That's how I share with my audience. We're like, Yeah, yeah. you betcha. Yeah. Don Cheadle. there was one of the groups that's in our we have a trailer trade group that we all kind of trade each other's podcast trailers and stuff, and chat in that group quite a bit. And one of the podcasts is Zach Solve Mysteries and they go on and with their podcast, they watch all the old unsolved mysteries and Zach solves them and they were watching one and they are very both of them are Both Steffanie and Zach are very good at doing accents and Stephanie was doing a Fargo accent and I was just like, I hate that

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Unknown
movie. I hate that people think that everyone and yes, we do have some of it, but it's more way northern Minnesota and northern Wisconsin that really get into that. And then the closer you get to Canada, yes, we are Canada's neighbors, but we don't say process. We don't say a boat. Yeah, I say, well, yeah, I would. But anyway, I messaged her after listening to that episode and I'm like, I hate Fargo and I hate that people think that everyone from the Midwest sounds like that because yes, we have some of those accents, but sometimes they'll come out strong.

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Unknown
But most of the time it's like, I don't hear a difference in my voice versus somebody from California, honestly, do I? But they certainly do as I do. We went on a really long road trip. We went from Minnesota to Tennessee to help my in-laws move. And when we then when we were leaving, we decided not to take the same road back.

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Unknown
We went from down to Georgia, Alabama, over to Mississippi, Louisiana, Texas, and then back up. And every state we went into, they all had a different term of endearment, you know, sweetheart, honey, baby or whatever. Yeah. And their accent changed in every state. And but every gas station I went into, they're like, where are you from? And I'm like, Minnesota.

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Unknown
They're like, Say it again. Them. Like Minnesota. Well, so obviously I don't hear what they hear. I don't either. I'm right with you, Tracey. I so I'm in sales and marketing, so I do a lot of traveling and stuff like that. And you know, I'll go down to Florida. People just be like, I love your accent and I'm just, well, what are you talking about?

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Unknown
And they'll say, Say cheese. my God, I used air bag bags and. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Absolutely. And what the funny thing, when I was down, like I've been in the South, that was part of my sales territory for a while and I went to Savannah, Georgia. And Savannah, Georgia is one of the most haunted places in America.

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Unknown
Like, literally every place is haunted. And I always tell this as a joke, but it's actually was true. So I went to a Sonic drive. It it's basically like a call verse for the Midwest, you know, or whatever you have in Minnesota now. And I went in there and I joke, I said, Is that bathroom haunted? And the manager just looked at me.

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Unknown
He said, Yep. And I said, You're kidding me. And he's like, Nope. I mean, like, that's But, you know, they were using their accents and and I came from a ghost who I remember. I remember this Foley I came from this goes to and I was walking alone and I guess it's raining and I supposed to walk alone in Savannah, Georgia, because of high crime rate and some other things.

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Unknown
So I walked home and I walked into the hotel was like Marriott or whatever. And the lady goes, You didn't walk home alone, did you? And I said, Yeah. And she goes like, Don't ever do that again, darlin. She's like, You need somebody with you. And then she looked at me and she goes, Do you have a spirit attached to you?

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Unknown
And I went, I on thinks, I don't think so. She goes, Well, just be careful. Did you walk past the graveyard in downtown Savannah? Which is just crazy on it? I said, Yeah. And she goes, okay. She goes, Well, just let me know if you have any problems. I know some people can remove the spirit from you and it's just like them.

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Unknown
Wow. my. Like, that's how this is how it goes. Savannah, I just had taken on people going from place to place. Yeah, I guess. I guess so. I mean, it's just weird, though, because everyone had a different dialect. Everyone have a different thing. But one thing that they all believed in was the paranormal where they grew up in, they they know it and they they'll talk your ear off about all the crazy stories they have.

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Unknown
And like, interesting. Well, it's like Louisiana. We went to New Orleans and that road trip back, we spent a few hours, we went my daughter had never my youngest daughter had never seen the ocean, swooped. That's why we went the way we did. So we went to Orange Beach in Alabama, brought her to the Gulf so she could see the ocean swam in the ocean, drove to Mississippi, stayed in a hotel, got up that morning, went to, st Martin's, I think it was, and did a swamp tour in Louisiana.

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Unknown
And then we went back and then we had limited time. So we just booked goes like goes, which is, we wanted to do the cemeteries but we couldn't get a tour for it. So it was like ghost witches, voodoo. So it was like a tour of all, of all of the things. And it was the best tour and our tour guide.

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Unknown
It was his last night, so he really did it up well and he showed us all sorts of fun things. And I did not realize well, I didn't realize Louisiana was built on Criminal was populated and built by criminals and prostitutes. And I said prostitutes because that's what they were called back then. You know, now we call them sex workers, but yeah, it was basically they brought prisoners over to build the swampland up and they decided they needed to populate it.

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Unknown
So then they brought the prostitutes over from France and it's like, what the heck? So it's crazy. Crazy. It is crazy. But we had so much fun and learned so much and it was we didn't really go down to Bourbon Street. I mean, we passed it. But when we my daughter was probably 13, 14 at the time. Bourbon Street is not a place for that that young of a person.

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Unknown
But I definitely want to go back. I want to go see the cemeteries. I want to you know, learn more about some of the other places we just kind of touch base on. You got Pirate Alley, lots of death and hauntings and Pirate Alley and stuff like that. So I would love love to do that. I'd love to do a tour of some of the houses.

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Unknown
I will not go into the, the, the was the lalaurie. Yeah, that's nasty. Yeah. They have public openings and parties and stuff in there now. I would never step foot into that house. No. yeah. Yeah. If you, if you want to research that, I don't know if you're going to do a thing, I might do a thing.

00:29:09:26 - 00:29:36:11
Unknown
I it's terrible. It is. I mean I can't do it justice. I should say a lot of people suffered and were tortured. And this woman who who ran that house was I don't know if you've read Mad's title tortures on those. Those were slaves. And then they also in NOLA, they also have the first pharmacy in the United States.

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Unknown
And that pharmacy here, the upstairs of it, people brought their family members that had a hammer before was yellow fever or what it was at the time, but they were dropping them off there because this pharmacist was claiming that he had the cure all for them. But he also he was he reminds me a lot of H.H. Holmes where he had Trapdoor.

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Unknown
So he would do all these experimentations on these people. And then he had a trap door that sat above his carriage, his horse and carriage. So these bodies would fall into his horse and carriage. And then at night he would, you know, wheel out and get rid of the bodies and then just keep taking more and more of these people.

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Unknown
And I'm like, yeah, not now. I mean, there is a lot of crazy things. I wonder that town is just total paranormal. It's exactly, exactly. It's cool, though. I don't know if I would want to live there, but it's nice to visit and it's hot. And I'm saying that as being a midwesterner that is used to maybe it was 112 when we were there and the I had never experienced humidity like that.

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Unknown
We were soaking wet just sitting in the shade. It was crazy. The only time I was cool was when we were out kind of, you know, on the swamp tours when he'd like, open up the boat a little bit in the, the different, you know, the both I didn't realize that like the swamps and the bayou and all of that there.

00:31:20:23 - 00:31:39:29
Unknown
I thought they were all kind of the same. But each terminology has a different meaning. Like the swamps are one thing I can't remember now, but the swamps were one thing and the bayou was the other. I think the bayou was more the open water and the swamps were more or the cypress trees and the cypress trees were cool.

00:31:40:02 - 00:32:10:13
Unknown
Very cool. Definitely. Definitely. If you haven't been, you have to go and I'm going back. That is my dream. I hope to go back and spend some time in New Orleans. That sounds like me too. Yeah, well, now that we have completely sidetracked rather back in our. So I wanted to stick with the theme. Usually when people come on, I try to stick with the theme, kind of what their show is.

00:32:10:13 - 00:32:39:05
Unknown
And with you being the Midwest, you know, doing the Midwest stuff, I wanted to do that too, because I love exploring different things with the Midwest as well. And so I was actually going to go on a different route with the story. I was going to go more on Wyatt, the Wyatt Earp side, but Jeremy introduced me to the Bullock Motel, our hotel in Deadwood, South Dakota.

00:32:39:07 - 00:33:01:22
Unknown
And I have have you ever been to Deadwood? Yes, I was there once when I was a little kid. My mom dragged me there. My dad dragged me there to see all South Dakota and. Okay, I was a little kid. I didn't like it. Yeah, but it's it's really interesting. Now that I'm older, I'm like, I'm going to go back.

00:33:01:22 - 00:33:34:02
Unknown
But, yes, I've been there all over South Dakota. It's it's very interesting. It is. I went there, I was 16 or 17 and a girlfriend of mine's family let me tag along. And they did a great job of like showing us all of South Dakota and a little bit of Wyoming. I mean, we did Deadwood, we did Custer State Park, we did the Badlands, the Black Hills, everywhere.

00:33:34:04 - 00:34:00:08
Unknown
Like the first night that we went in, we camped in the Badlands, and I had no idea what to expect. We drove in there at night and my girlfriend and I were sleeping in a tent and they were sleeping in a camper. And I unzipped our tent to walk out and I was like, just blown away at the beauty of the Badlands.

00:34:00:10 - 00:34:25:25
Unknown
Absolutely gorgeous. And then staying in Custer with all the buffalo running, I never that was the first time I had, you know, really, really been out of the state, other than I went to Texas when I was 12 or 13. So the beauty was the thing that was amazing to me. But we did go to Deadwood and we did watch the reenactment of and I said, Wyatt Earp, I always do that.

00:34:25:25 - 00:34:58:09
Unknown
It's Wild Bill Hickok. I always say, Why? So I was going to do Hitchcock. But then Jeremy told me about this Bullock Motel hotel, which I remember seeing when I was there, but I had no idea of how many different places are actually haunted. So we're going to go into a little history of Seth Bullock, one of the owners of the Bullock Hotel.

00:34:58:12 - 00:35:32:13
Unknown
So Seth was born on July 23rd, 1849 in Canada. His birth place is not really known because there's conflicting accounts of whether it was an Amherst or Inn. And I'm going to I looked up the how to pronounce this and I'm going to try not to screw it up at the top. Okay. Well, at Toby Co, I'm sure it looks like at a bar Coke one, but it's I'm assuming it's Native American.

00:35:32:13 - 00:36:07:17
Unknown
So Adobe Co, he was born to George and Agnes Finlay George Bullock was a retired British Army sergeant major and a local political figure in Old Sandwich Town, which I love that name. Situated along the Canadian and U.S. border of the Detroit River, Old Sandwich Town was founded in 1797 and holds historical prominence as one of Ontario's All the Settlements.

00:36:07:19 - 00:36:42:19
Unknown
Witnesses in Kiev's points in the Providence's history. Seth's mother, who was from Scotland, added a touch of the Scottish heritage to his lineage in the 1860s. Seth Bullock's dad, George, was forced to resign in his job as a county treasurer because some money went missing and to yeah, to escape trouble in Canada, George dashed to Detroit, leaving Seth and his seven siblings alone in the old sandwich town.

00:36:42:21 - 00:37:13:09
Unknown
So he just left the family half term. I went out for a pack of smokes and never came back. Ah, cool. George No. So, Seth Mom, Seth's mom had passed away during this time, leaving the kids to kind of have to fend for themselves. In 1863, the property George owned was taken by creditors and sold at auction because he had defaulted on his mortgage and debts.

00:37:13:11 - 00:37:40:27
Unknown
So, yeah. So Bullock's childhood was not really a happy one. When his father was around. He was a very strict, disciplined man. He was known to be young Seth for little things, self left. So that's a mouthful. Seth left home at 13 and then again at 16, heading to Montana to stay with his sister Jessie. She forced him to move back home.

00:37:40:29 - 00:38:19:14
Unknown
However, by 18 he had left home for good, returning to Montana, taking up and taking up residence in Helena in 1860, Bullock became a resident of Helena, Montana, where he unsuccessfully ran for a territorial legislature. Legislature. There he was. So, my goodness, I'm tongue tie in everything. Subsequently elected as the Republican to the territorial Senate, and he served from 1871 to 1872.

00:38:19:17 - 00:38:56:00
Unknown
And he also helped create Yellowstone National Park, which I thought was really cool. That's cool. Yeah. So in 1873, he was also elected sheriff of Loos Lewis and County excuse me, Lewis and Clark County, Montana during his tenure as Sheriff Soule would sell what's and had stolen a horse and engaged in a gunfight. Gunfight with Bullock and work in which Bullock was slightly wounded in the shoulder.

00:38:56:02 - 00:39:38:19
Unknown
Watson was then taken into custody, and as Watson was being prepared to be hung, a mob appeared and they scared off the executioner. So Bullock being the badass that he is, climbed on top of the skull, the scaffold, and pulled the lever himself, sending what was Darth Bullock then held off the mob with his shotgun. And this incident was created, recreated in the pilot episode of HBO television series Deadwood, which you had asked me, I think, before we started recording, if I had to watch that and I haven't, but I want to now.

00:39:38:19 - 00:40:07:18
Unknown
I love Old West stuff. Yeah. By the way, for all the audience out there, including you, Tracy, it is extremely graphic as they do not hold anything back. Well, the old one, you know, when they when they're doing like surgeries and stuff like that and stuff. Yeah. Remember, you didn't have a room. You basically sat someone down on a table bite on the stick and I'm waiting a knife.

00:40:07:20 - 00:40:33:10
Unknown
I'm going to dig that bullet out of you. And here's the here's the whiskey to try to take the edge. Yeah, right. Here's a shot of whiskey. Maybe. Maybe you got some whiskey? Yeah. No, I couldn't. I cannot imagine a great show, though. It's a great show. Yeah. I'm scared enough to have surgery with anesthesia, let alone without biting of a stick.

00:40:33:12 - 00:41:10:17
Unknown
yeah. No, thank you. Well, soon after this event, South partnered with Solomon, who's known as Saul's. He goes by Saul, saw Solomon Saul Star to form the star and Bullock auctioneers and commissioners merchants. They set up a shop in Helena, Montana. Ah, excuse me. Helena, Montana, where Seth was also married to Martha Eclipse in 1874. She was his childhood sweetheart and soon after they had a daughter.

00:41:10:19 - 00:41:48:09
Unknown
In 1876, they decided that an untapped market for hardware existed. The Gold rush town of Deadwood in the Dakota Territory. Before leaving for Deadwood, South Dakota, Seth sent his wife and baby back to her family home in Michigan until he was settled in the new area. Back then, Deadwood was crazy lawless and insane, so it was very wise of him to not bring his wife and baby daughter.

00:41:48:11 - 00:42:15:16
Unknown
And so then they decided to move their hardware store from Helena, Montana, to Deadwood. They traveled by an ox drawn wagon piled high with mining equipment, Dutch ovens, frying pans, chamber pots. I mean, I can just see everything, just like shaking as they're going down the train. So we're both parents and we've taken long trips with our kids.

00:42:15:19 - 00:42:36:29
Unknown
Okay, We're in a car, right? And we can pull over and get a snack and we can pull over and go to a hotel or a motel back that it was nothing like you said, Ricky. And by the way, Indians might kill you, robbers might kill you, might a bear might kill you, you might fall in a sinkhole.

00:42:37:07 - 00:43:02:27
Unknown
Yeah, you might get a disease and die on the trail. And this is some rough terrain as well. It is not flat out. Yeah, it's crazy. It's not like I said, it's a rainy thing. And you're telling your husband, Honey, pull over because it's snowing really bad. We'll get a room, right? Nope. You got to keep going. You and that's.

00:43:02:29 - 00:43:37:21
Unknown
I don't know if you ever played the game. The Oregon Trail. Yes. Yes. Yeah. You died of dysentery. I mean, that was not far from the truth. I mean, they were leaving the family members behind left and right, So they had their ox drawn wagon piled with everything that they could think of that people would need. When they arrived in Deadwood, they set up a tent and began to auction their equipment and supplies off to the highest bidders.

00:43:37:23 - 00:44:09:21
Unknown
And that was the beginning of their successful hardware store business in Deadwood. And there's a little bit this next thing, there's a little bit of contradiction. You I found some people say that they arrived the day before and some people say it was the day after, but literally it was within a short timeframe from when what when Wild Bill Hickok was killed in the saloon by he was killed by Jack McCall.

00:44:09:23 - 00:44:38:18
Unknown
And if anybody's not familiar with that, McCall shot Hickock in the back of the head while he sat playing poker. McCall was later found not guilty by an impromptu camp court and when he was released, after which he promptly left town, he was later retried, found guilty and executed. And at time there was not really any law enforcement in Deadwood.

00:44:38:18 - 00:45:08:06
Unknown
And there's different accounts. On why McCall killed Hickok. The one account is because he was mad that Hitchcock gave him money after he lost all of his money and told him to go get lunch. And then there was accusations that he had slept with a sister or something. Yeah. And Hitchcock never sat with his back to the door and the person would not trade seats with him.

00:45:08:06 - 00:45:18:17
Unknown
So this one time he sat with his back to the door and he got killed. And then there's the famous, you know, hand that he had the aces and eights.

00:45:18:17 - 00:45:21:00
Unknown
We'll be back after these messages.

00:45:21:00 - 00:45:46:24
Unknown
All right. I think I hacked in. We're on the air security cell side. But how's my hair? It's a radio station. You guys hear about the Beyond the Shadows podcast with Ryan and Scott? You guys in paranormal? What about true crime? How about UFOs and Cryptids? We also have bad hauntings. We got security. We don't. We're not big enough to media.

00:45:46:27 - 00:46:02:09
Unknown
No, we got security. Hey, what are you guys doing? Get out of here. Listen to the Beyond the Shadows podcast. The other.

00:46:02:09 - 00:46:20:07
Unknown
So, yeah, I watched that reenactment. It was pretty intense. Yeah. I'm the pilot of Deadwood. They do that, do they? so that's the pilot. The entire pilot is about what you were bringing up there.

00:46:20:08 - 00:47:01:02
Unknown
Okay. Yeah. So it's definitely touches on the the raw history of Deadwood. Yes, it does. Yeah. So, like I said, there was a huge demand for law enforcement and it grew following Hitchcock's murder. Murder and Bloch's background made him the logical choice for Deadwood's first sheriff. However, he was not elected to the position, but rather was appointed by then Governor Pennington by the Dakota Territory in 87 or excuse me, 77, 1877.

00:47:01:04 - 00:47:40:07
Unknown
So his tenure as appointed sheriff lasted approximately nine months. And during his time tenure as the appointed sheriff, Bullock took his job very seriously. He deputized several residents and was tackling the job of civilizing the camp, meaning the town, despite or perhaps because of a reputation for fearlessness and an uncompromising or uncommon Mies nature Bullock managed to task without killing a single person.

00:47:40:10 - 00:48:16:13
Unknown
He was remote. Yeah, he was reported to not even need to carry his gun. His grandson said that he would out stare a mad cobra or a rogue elephant. So it was said that he could also enforce the law just by being in town. He was quite the bad. Yeah, that's quite a burglar. Yeah. So eventually Seth and Saul built their hardware store on the property that they had set up shop on in 1876.

00:48:16:15 - 00:48:47:04
Unknown
And from 1876 to 1894, the building housed the hardware store. The store was a single storey building that was said to house a blacksmith in the back and the lower level had its own entrance from Wall Street for access. When the basement was excavated during the last remodeling. This is in recent times they discovered an old forge that included several shoes.

00:48:47:04 - 00:49:27:11
Unknown
So this confirmed the rumor of the blacksmith and as well as the parking area with the turnaround to serve as the ox teams. And they also nicknamed the area the bull Flats. So I thought that was kind of cool that they that's what it was said to be. And then when they did the recent renovations, they actually found some of the old equipment and so at one point Seth was bringing in the horse thief called Crazy Steve back to Deadwood for trial, and he encountered a man who was the current sheriff of Medora, North Dakota.

00:49:27:13 - 00:50:05:08
Unknown
This man was Theodore Roosevelt. He would eventually become and as we know, he eventually becomes president. Seth and Roosevelt became great friends, and eventually Seth joined Roosevelt's famous Rough Riders. Seth was also named the captain of a troop, and Grigsby Cowboy is regiment Because of the end of the Spanish-American War. The troops never really left the training camp, but this did give Seth the opportunity to carry a title of captain for the remainder of his life.

00:50:05:11 - 00:50:34:00
Unknown
And in 1905, Seth formed a similar group in Deadwood called the Cowboys. How ironic. So let's see. So we're going to go back. By the way, I love all the nicknames really quickly. I love all the nicknames like Crazy Steve Yeah, One horse. Yeah, yeah. Wimpy Fred or something. It all had nicknames and I don't know. All right.

00:50:34:02 - 00:51:07:08
Unknown
I have I don't think I cover this in here, but there was talk about how Seth also went on a chase after Jesse James when. So this is something that you don't know. But I lived in Northfield, Minnesota, for many years, from about 14 till I was around 34, I think. And Jesse, the Jesse James gang was actually kind of semi defeated in Northfield.

00:51:07:10 - 00:51:35:18
Unknown
They shot a couple of their gang members and stuff there. And when Jesse was, I did not know this part of the story until I came across it. When I was researching, when Jesse was fleeing from the Northfield raid, Seth Bullock was actually in pursuit of him and Jesse had jumped a gorge and a lot of people did not follow his on his horse.

00:51:35:20 - 00:52:07:11
Unknown
He jumped this gorge and they did not follow him. So that's how he eluded Bullock and the team and stuff. So I thought that was kind of cool. So that linked back to the town that I used to live in. Nice Yeah. So now we're going to go back a little bit in time. There was a fire in 1879 and Deadwood that destroyed much of the town and the the fire at the hardware store destroyed the majority of the building with the exception of the foundation and the exterior walls.

00:52:07:13 - 00:52:39:20
Unknown
They rebuilt it. And in 19 or 1894, another fire resulted in the destruction of the interior of the building again. So change in tactics, tactics. Bullock and his partner, Saul Starr, decided to build Deadwood's finest hotel over the original store and warehouse hauling in native pink and white sandstone from Andrews Quarry and Boulder Canyon Building, the Italian est style hotel.

00:52:39:22 - 00:53:17:17
Unknown
It boasted a restaurant that could see 100 people and offered such delicacies as pheasant and lobster when it was complete. Yeah, lobster in South Dakota can't be that fresh in that timeframe. That was a part of How are they getting the lobster there? Yes. So the large lobby featured red velvet carpeting, brass chandeliers, oak trim and a Steinway grand piano upstairs.

00:53:17:17 - 00:53:52:27
Unknown
The 63 rooms were furnished with oak dressers and brass beds, and each floor had a single bathroom, which was pretty common for that time. So like a shared bathroom, it had a library and a Paul a parlor and in no time, the hotel was the most sought after luxury hotel of its time. In 1900, they purchased a small building attached to the hotel and turned it into a gentlemen's bar.

00:53:53:00 - 00:54:28:07
Unknown
And we won't go into how sexist that is. Seth Bullock later died of cancer in September of September 23rd of 1919 at his ranch near Bel Forge, South Dakota. He was buried on the high trail to the white, too. He was buried on the high trail to the white rocks above Mount Moriah Cemetery. And this is what I thought was really cool.

00:54:28:09 - 00:54:57:11
Unknown
The gravesite was facing towards Mount Roosevelt across the Gulch, which was selected for its view of Friendship Tower, a tower that Roosevelt had built for Bullock shortly before he died. This view has since been obstructed a half a century of grown ponderosa pines. But I thought that was really cool because Roosevelt built this tower to symbolize their friendship.

00:54:57:11 - 00:55:20:25
Unknown
And they both I think they both died within the same year. interesting. But yeah, they were like best of friends. And there was there's so much more about his different political things that he went into and the different titles that he held and did and but I didn't want to go too deep into it. Yeah, right, right.

00:55:20:26 - 00:55:52:08
Unknown
So now we'll get into some of the fun stuff, the haunting of the Bullock Motel. According to dozens of reports, the Bullock Hotel is very haunted and very active, and the hotel's own original owner, Seth Bullock, continues to play host at his beloved hotel. According to both staff and guests, All manners, Al, all manner of strange occurrences has happened at this historic hotel.

00:55:52:10 - 00:56:36:15
Unknown
Reports include the feelings of strong paranormal presence inside survivor rooms in the second and third floor hallways and the restaurant and in South Cellar. Others have reported seeing tall, ghostly figures of Bullock in various areas of the hotel, including the restaurant and the basement. Apparently, Seth Seth's ghost wants to ensure that the staff is working hard, as paranormal events tend to increase when the staff members stand idle when they're whistling or just humming a tune, Seth shows up and basically tells them to get to work.

00:56:36:18 - 00:57:01:27
Unknown
Plates and glasses have been known to shake and take flight in the restaurant. The lights and appliances turn on and off, seemingly on their own accord. Many guests have reported hearing their name called out by a male voice when no one is present or they were tapped on the shoulder by an unseen hand. Others have heard whistling and many report sounds of footsteps in the hallways.

00:57:01:27 - 00:57:27:02
Unknown
When it's when it's empty and there's no one which that would creep me out. Yeah. By the way, can we go back to making them go back to work? Yeah, I think it's great. I can instantly feel, you know, how, you know, he kind of is leaning. You know what I mean? Sully? You're like, something taps you. You really were right.

00:57:27:02 - 00:57:58:08
Unknown
Yeah. You're like, What? Hey, it's okay. Okay. I'll clean up the plates. Yeah, we're all staff. What's up? Yeah, okay. Okay, I'll go. I would be great. Yeah. We have an episode of the Palmer House and Sauk Center, Minnesota. That's. Well, as this recording comes out, it'll probably be released of, like, three or four weeks ago. But it talks about how this employee would.

00:57:58:10 - 00:58:19:18
Unknown
One of her jobs was to set the tables every night in the restaurant, and she would set the tables and then she'd go back into the restaurant and all of the silverware and everything would be like all messed up. And she got to the point where she set it once that night, and then she fixed it before she left in the morning and hoping that it would still look okay when the next person came in.

00:58:19:18 - 00:58:48:00
Unknown
But how frustrated. It's like, dude, I am trying to work and you're messing up my work. Okay, you must Not funny. No. And you could just see the ghost. Probably sit in the Carnegie Gallery. Yeah. I love it. I love the playfulness and the. With the Palmer House, what I learned is the ghosts that do reside there are.

00:58:48:03 - 00:59:19:29
Unknown
It's a very friendly, friendly, non malevolent. But the they said depending on what people are doing, sometimes the energy will turn like dark. And the paranormal team that I was talking about, they go in there and they'll, they'll cleanse it and get the energy back to being a positive energy. And the owner of the hotel, Kelly, does not allow Ouija boards.

00:59:20:01 - 00:59:46:29
Unknown
And if she finds out you have a Ouija board to literally throw it out the door. So yeah, they try to keep it very clean and they they don't want people, you know, antagonizing the ghosts because, I mean, would you want to be antagonized in your home every single night? No wonder they go crazy. Yeah. That reminds me of the Lemp mansion in Saint Louis, Missouri, which I did a piece on.

00:59:47:01 - 01:00:10:12
Unknown
I've wear that, you know. Yeah. And they have a restaurant there, and same thing happens. People mess the ghosts mess around the silverware and other things like that. And they've had trouble keeping people, obviously. But I remember there's a waitress who'd worked there for years that just got used to it. Like she said, she'll go into work and she'll be like, Hi, Bill, or Right.

01:00:10:19 - 01:00:39:04
Unknown
Or whatever. Like, Please, I got to get some things done. Could you please not bother me today? And she said, most of the time they don't. If you talk to them nicely and explain, hey, we're having a big party, you know, I need to get this done. So could you please not do that? However, you know, when she's training a new employee and they see a glass floating across the hotel room, don't pay time.

01:00:39:05 - 01:01:08:19
Unknown
And they're like, Yeah, She's like, It's all right. Bill's just it's fine. He's just, you know, at the. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's usually when the employee quits. Yeah, the employee just Yeah, there's, yeah, I would, I mean, I mean, maybe, maybe not. I'm trying to change my perspective on being scared of these things. I'm trying to not. It's a slow slow, slow burn, but I hear you, Tracy.

01:01:08:19 - 01:01:38:00
Unknown
We actually are going to Jenny, the lady we interviewed from the Palmer House, actually said that she would go there and do an investigation with us. So we're trying to line that up, which I think would be fun. But I told her no guarantees that I won't go running out the doors. So I hear you and my sister wants us to go stay at the Ralph House in Illinois.

01:01:38:02 - 01:02:06:08
Unknown
It's Not that well. That was the first possession. The first possession in the United States where I'm trying to remember the story now. It's been a while since I researched it. This lady passed. Our young girl passed away, and one of their neighbors ends up getting possessed by her ghost and then goes and with the family and stuff.

01:02:06:10 - 01:02:30:21
Unknown
But it's an old Victorian mansion. Yeah, the 1800s were a crazy, crazy time. Crazy You just because your neighbors said that she was possessed by your daughter, then you take her in the family. Let's you. I don't understand all that, but yeah, it's old Victorian house that was just falling apart. And some guy bought it and renovated it back to its original glory.

01:02:30:21 - 01:03:00:03
Unknown
And it's now an Airbnb that you can rent out and people rent out to do investigate Asians, Other people rent it out and have no idea that it's even haunted. So that kind of tells me if people are not having experiences, how haunted is it really? You know? Yeah, but I suppose it all depends on how open you are or how well you can explain things away.

01:03:00:05 - 01:03:28:10
Unknown
But absolutely in this story that I will gets you, there's a part in here that I'll have to try to remember. I watched a couple of different Ghost Hunters shows on the set, and one of them was I call them Bagel Bites. Zak Bagans Yeah, I learned that term of endearment off of a bigger podcast that I used to listen to.

01:03:28:12 - 01:04:15:12
Unknown
And ever since they said that, that's all. I never called Bagans or I always just, you know, unconscious. It's megabytes now, but his show on this doing this, their investigation of this hotel and there's an employee that we're going to touch base on but I'll get to that when it's coming up here So cool it Let's see where did we leave of bothering the employees And yes, I think my story moved on me.

01:04:15:14 - 01:04:46:23
Unknown
Well, basically, residents to authors, to employees or whatever, basically say that Bullock's ghosts are still very active in the building, but he is more his intentions don't seem to be malicious at all. He can be more of a he's more of a prankster. He likes to move chairs and other objects until a brave employee will stand up to him and tell him to stop.

01:04:46:26 - 01:05:23:12
Unknown
And then he'll usually listen. And he just seems to want to make sure the employees are always working hard and that his patrons are happy. So I came across the story of these parents that couldn't find their son, and they're frantically looking all over the hotel. They search everywhere and they're not able to find their son anywhere. So they return to the room and find him just in there, happy as a clam, healthy, safe.

01:05:23:15 - 01:05:48:03
Unknown
He told them that he left to get a soda and got lost, but a nice man helped him find his room. And when the family went to check out the next morning, the boy identified the helpful man, pointing to a portrait of Bullock. And yeah, and Bullock is very if you don't know what he looks like, he's, you know, a handsome man.

01:05:48:03 - 01:06:26:19
Unknown
But he's got one of those big Sam Elliott mustaches, huge mustache. So very just, you know, in today's time frame, there's not massage. People don't have mustaches like that's there. Also many stories of employees and hotel guests that they claim to smell lilac roses and cigars. Smoke is often noticed throughout the hotel with the cigar smoke smell being very strong in room 211, which used to be Seth Bullock's room.

01:06:26:21 - 01:06:52:13
Unknown
The cleaning staff also reports that the carts, they're cleaning carts that they use to carry supplies between the rooms will often be moved to another location from where they left it. They're also report after they change a roll of toilet paper, that they'll go back into the room and find the paper scattered throughout the room with empty spool.

01:06:52:15 - 01:07:19:25
Unknown
I'd be No, but you want me to work. But you're making more work for me. What is that? Yeah. Where is the fine line? Yeah, I heard. I heard, too, that he messes around with alarm clocks so people will, like, set their alarm clocks for, like, 730, and then all of a sudden will go off, like, four in the morning and they'll be like, Dad, you know?

01:07:19:27 - 01:07:41:18
Unknown
I had that happen to me when I was in high school. Some little prankster thought it'd be funny to change my alarm clock, and it was winter time, so I didn't think anything of it when it was dark. When I woke up and I was waiting and waiting for my boyfriend to pick me up because he drove me to school every day.

01:07:41:20 - 01:08:06:00
Unknown
He wasn't coming, wasn't coming in. I'm like looking at my clock and I'm like, I'm going to have to walk if I, you know. So I called his house to find out if he had left and his dad answered the phone. And he's like, Tracy, do you know what time it is? I'm like, Yeah, it's like 730. He's like, No, it is 230 in the morning, my car now.

01:08:06:02 - 01:08:32:13
Unknown
But yeah, because somebody's trying to be funny to change my alarm on me. Yeah, Yeah. And then it didn't even affect me. It affected other households as well. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Right, right. So they at the block, they have a which I think is pretty common for these haunted hotels for guests to be able to write their encounters, sightings or experiences and which I think is cool.

01:08:32:13 - 01:08:55:23
Unknown
I would love I think people should have watched those some people I mean just read them Yeah great A lot of people report that they see a tall, ghostly figure in many areas of the hotel, including the restaurant. At one time, a staircase connected, the bar and the restaurant, the floors above. And that was located behind the bar.

01:08:56:00 - 01:09:32:26
Unknown
And on one account, a bartender quit his job and fled. After seeing the ghost of Bullock's standing at the end of the bar. Perhaps he had traveled from his room above to check on the due diligence of the working staff below, which was said to be something he did on a regular basis, which we've covered right. So, aside from the apparitions, like we said before, played sunglasses are known to shake or fly, furniture is moved.

01:09:32:29 - 01:10:05:17
Unknown
The appliances will turn on as as well as showers in the guest rooms. Yeah. How frustrating would that be yeah. there's disembodied voices footsteps. And the hotel does offer a ghost tour for those that want to hear more of the stories and, yeah, you know, witness some paranormal activity and says that there is just never a dull moment at the legendary book hotel.

01:10:05:20 - 01:10:36:10
Unknown
So the basement of the hotel is named Seth Cellar. And at one time it's served as a smallpox ward. According to many residents who are so it housed many sick residents from towns. Numerous, numerous reports revolve around sightings of a little girl named Sarah and her mother, who was a local prostitute. Both had been patients at the makeshift hotel excuse me, makeshift hospital in the hotel.

01:10:36:12 - 01:11:08:19
Unknown
Sarah reportedly watched her mother die just this just before she herself was taken by the disease. There's a story from an employee who had worked at the hotel for many years and claimed that while they were preparing for a party on the lower level level and filling up helium balloons, the balloons would cling to the ceiling, but occasionally one would come down and then rise up as if somebody were tugging on it and playing with it.

01:11:08:21 - 01:11:37:02
Unknown
And perhaps it was little Sarah playing a prank. But that account also claims that at one point all of the balloons popped at the same time during the party. Yeah, that would that would be gone. Yes. In there. Here, you stay with me. I'm out. Trace sized hole in the wall next to John. Sized hole in the wall.

01:11:37:04 - 01:12:12:13
Unknown
Yep. We would both be. Yeah, we're. God. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Like a cartoon. Yes. And there's also been accounts of the piano located, which is now located in the basement. People would hear it being played, but there is nobody downstairs. And so now I watched like I said, I watched a few different shows on The Haunting of the BLOCK Hotel.

01:12:12:15 - 01:12:44:00
Unknown
So I came across this old episode of Unsolved Mysteries, and in this episode, it was it was so fun to hear that that theme song and to see, you know, stacks in is trenchcoat and there's a red skull coming out of the fog or whatever or whatever weird area that is in here. He just enters the frame. But yeah, in this scene he was was in like, I don't know, I don't think he actually probably went to Deadwood, but it was like a Western.

01:12:44:00 - 01:13:15:10
Unknown
He was Western he type scenery. So I just love stacks. There was nobody better. He talks about a few of the incidents that employees of the hotel experienced. Norm Stevens was one of the employees. He was a slot machine supervisor at the hotel and he says that the one morning he was working in the basement when a mysterious shadow fell across the wall.

01:13:15:12 - 01:13:39:03
Unknown
It was a figure of a man. But when Norm turned around, the shadow vanished. You know, they have their reenactments and he is walking up to like the office door and he's like entering. And it looks like a code to get into the door, but it actually looks like an alarm box, like an alarm system box. So it's kind of funny, but you see the shadow just and they do really good.

01:13:39:03 - 01:14:05:14
Unknown
I love the old reenactments. They they did a pretty good job for their time. And then a few weeks later, the operations manager this name kills me. Joey. George. Joey. George. Julie George. Yeah. Had his own ghostly encounter. He Claimed that when he walked by the bar after closing time, all of the stools were lined up in a row.

01:14:05:16 - 01:14:39:21
Unknown
Joey stepped into the office and then heard an unusual noise behind him. He returned to the bar and all of the stools had been moved. But these mysterious as in both of these mysterious, mysterious incidents, paled in comparison with another hotel's worker that he experienced in 1989. So this is the one I was talking about. So I heard this guy.

01:14:39:24 - 01:15:09:18
Unknown
He didn't tell the story. I'm here. The manager of the hotel stole told it on Unsolved Mysteries, but he was on bagel bites. This the actual guy that experienced this and he basically saw an apparition, full body apparition of a cowboy, a man. And he was leaning arms crossed. He described him to, you know, how he was dressed.

01:15:09:20 - 01:15:43:05
Unknown
You know, his pants were tucked into his boots, you know, everything. And it was like the old school Western style, you know, like back in the lawless days. And it scared him so much that. He ended up quitting his job. But years later, he came back. And now he is very sensitive and he communicates with the the kids that are in the basement, the kids in the hotel, basically the ones that died from the smallpox stuff.

01:15:43:07 - 01:16:27:20
Unknown
And in the megabytes episode, it's really funny because they're talking about his, you know, Zak Bagans is interviewing him and he's talking with the little boy that's there and he's asking them questions and the boy's answering. But at the same time they get every EVP recording of the boy's answers. So it was kind of cool. That was like really conclusive evidence and but anyway, they get to a point where Zach and this guy shake hands and the guy starts walking away and he's like, Sir, my hand.

01:16:27:20 - 01:16:52:14
Unknown
I mean, with ghost adventures, it's very, you know, very dramatic and dramatized. And he's like, my hand is just on fire. And then all of a sudden, Zach and this guy were like, They couldn't be near each other. They both just wanted to kill each other. And he says that the guy that worked at the hotel said that there's something attached to you that is just not right.

01:16:52:14 - 01:17:17:19
Unknown
And then Zach's like, great, you know, but he keeps trying to talk to the guy. I'm like, Just leave him alone, you know? Yeah, right. But yeah, they went and investigated the whole they did the salon or the saloon that Hickock was killed at, and they did the opera house and then they did the hotel and stuff.

01:17:17:19 - 01:17:39:25
Unknown
And I usually try not to, you know, I'll watch it just because you get a little history and sometimes there will be some good stuff. But I don't like how they antagonize and I yeah a lot of it's so dramatized where you know Yeah Unsolved mysteries just did a beautiful job at it And I watched a couple of ones that were really good too.

01:17:39:28 - 01:18:07:20
Unknown
So anyway, that's where that guy, he kind of came in on a few different shows. So Robert Stack in his voiceover goes on to say that the people of Deadwood I always assumed that it was the ghost of Seth Bullock who was haunting the hotel that in April of 91, apparent confirmation came from a most unlikely source 5000 miles away.

01:18:07:26 - 01:18:50:15
Unknown
I hear his voice in my head as I'm reading this, but I can't do voice. You said that from 5000 or 5000 miles away, a man who claims to be a psychic said he began receiving messages from beyond the grave. By pure coincidence, the psychic's name was Sandy Bullock. Sandy said that occasionally various people would pop through and he thought that it was perhaps the that it was a family member, distant family member or ancestor that was coming to say hello.

01:18:50:18 - 01:19:19:03
Unknown
So he rather dismissed it, that it was something different. And then we get Stack's voiceover again telling us that the spirit of Seth Bullock did not go away. Sandy's claims that Suk communicated with him or Sandy claims that Seth communicated with him through a Native American guide who warned the people of Deadwood that a period of lawlessness loomed on the horizon.

01:19:19:05 - 01:19:57:00
Unknown
And it could happen in 1993. And he repeated that a few times and then followed it up with a beware. So this psychic, Sandy, said that this warning just seemed to be a little urgent. So he immediately wrote an open letter to the proprietors of the Bullock Hotel and Sandy said, I thought if I write to someone just in general in this place called Deadwood, that they would just think, I'm a nutty old Englishman and would forget it and throw it away.

01:19:57:02 - 01:20:24:28
Unknown
A few weeks later, Sandy's letter arrived at the Bullock Hotel, which was undergoing extensive renovation at the time. Mary, the head of hotel at the time, said that all, all of the information at this time, as I read it, she thought to herself, well, he probably found a book someplace on Deadwood, read it and wrote to me. And mind you, at this time, the Internet wasn't a thing either.

01:20:25:03 - 01:20:52:28
Unknown
It was nonexistent, you know. So but at the very bottom of the letter, it mentioned that Seth said that he can't hope haunt the hotel right now because all of the banging that's going on. And I thought to myself, well it's driving me crazy, too. But he also said that he'd be back and you'll know it's old Seth, quote unquote.

01:20:53:01 - 01:21:20:15
Unknown
And that's when her hair stood up on the back of her neck, because that's what her aunt's pet name was for. Seth. Any time something strange would happen, Jerry, her aunt would say, Old South is up to his tricks again. So he kind of, you know, proved his point because Seth can't haunt it right now because of all of the banging renovations and then the old stuff.

01:21:20:18 - 01:21:54:18
Unknown
So he knew that these things needed to be said for them to believe it. So and again, they there is no way that he would know from across the pond that they had renovations going on. So a local journalist, journalist Rina Webb, was intrigued and decided to write back to Sandy Bullock. And in this letter she said to him, I am categorized, I suppose, neither as a believer or a nonbeliever.

01:21:54:20 - 01:22:21:13
Unknown
I will treat your story with utmost respect. However, I have a lot of readers who will be totally skeptical about your story because of the skepticism. I would like to pose to you a test question Who was the well-known person who was a close friend of Seth Bullock? And how is Bullock's grave positioned in relation to that friendship?

01:22:21:15 - 01:22:51:10
Unknown
When she received his letter in response to her test question, he said Tall trees now block the view from his old bones. But Teddy and him still meet in the afterlife life. And she said, well, she got the goose pimples and she continues to get them every time she thinks it. Because again, they to have known he there's no way that he could have known about that.

01:22:51:10 - 01:23:25:23
Unknown
Yeah, there's no way. So Reena believes that the message refers to the stand of pine trees that's that now obstructs the view of Theodore Roosevelt's monument from Seth Box gravesite. That's a story that was not well known. And there's no way Sandy Bullock sitting in Dorset, England, could have researched this. It's just not possible. There's too much evidence of Seth's presence in this town, in particular at the Bullock Hotel to discount it.

01:23:25:26 - 01:23:51:24
Unknown
Perhaps other people might feel differently. All I know is the evidence seem to point very strongly in the direction of the sheriff, Seth Bullock still being on the job in Deadwood, South Dakota, today. So I thought that was really cool. I love the fact that he's just there making sure people are working. He's not evil, not according to Megabytes.

01:23:51:24 - 01:24:22:09
Unknown
You know, there was some interactions and he got pushed by whatever. But I love the story. Okay, good. I love that there was this just seemed light and fun. He was a prankster, but get your work done, you know, there. And it's work hard. Yes. Yes. I built this thing. I travel across these, you know, the Oregon Trail to get here.

01:24:22:11 - 01:24:50:23
Unknown
Not literally, but. Well, probably that's I'm sure that path was part of the Oregon Trail. well, it's bad enough. Wherever he traveled, we now ride. But I thought it was pretty a really cool story. Like I said, I was going to go more on, you know, the others, the other haunting. But this one, once Jeremy told me about it, I, I got caught into a rabbit hole and I did too.

01:24:50:23 - 01:25:16:06
Unknown
It was a fun one. I was one That's, you know, it's not scary. It's not you know, it's very I was so probably scared, but. well, yeah. I mean, if you seeing things floated or an apparition appears in front of you, of course, right? Yeah. And full body apparitions, that takes a lot of energy. You don't see that.

01:25:16:09 - 01:25:58:06
Unknown
Yes, it does. That's. That's just interesting to me, too. I check the room rates, by the way, if you want to stay there. Very. You know, very recently. So. So just for like a double bed and just like it would just be you, it's like 50 bucks night, which is super reasonable compared to. Well, if you wanted a king size bed in one of their suite rooms with a Jacuzzi that is $130 a night, that's pretty similar to the Palmer house when we actually were trying to stay there.

01:25:58:06 - 01:26:28:10
Unknown
But The downfall with the Palmer houses in the winter time, they're only open for slight periods of time and if you stay on a weekend, you have to stay two nights. And Jeremy and I own our own business beside podcasting and to have two nights away really hard, especially when we have dogs. Sure. So and the one thing I forgot to touch base on, I was going to loop back to this and I didn't put it in my notes.

01:26:28:13 - 01:27:01:25
Unknown
So in 1993, the thing that they believe was what block was warning them about is they were talking about raising the maximum bets in Deadwood for gambling because right now I believe it's the maximum bet is $5. And they were talking about raising up to 100 or higher. I can't there was a couple different articles that said a couple of different things.

01:27:01:27 - 01:27:34:06
Unknown
But sure, the people of Deadwood voted it down and is probably a good thing because what he could have been warning them about is if they did raise that, it could have brought a lot more different casinos, different people, different, you know, characters. Yes. Yeah. And I worked in casinos for many years of my life. I was a blackjack dealer for probably close to four or five years.

01:27:34:08 - 01:28:02:29
Unknown
And I saw some stuff, experience stuff. I had my hand smashed into the table by a person that I took a lot of money from in high stakes, and that's when I lived in Hinkley. And later I moved to Pryor Lake, where mystically Casino is. And I knew a guy that I adults who in Hinkley actually lived in the metro area.

01:28:03:01 - 01:28:24:26
Unknown
So I knew it was a matter of time before I ran into him because. He got 86 from Grand Casino, Hinkley and a shed about three years after stealing it. Mystic I came up to the table and I saw this guy and I knew it. And this he was playing on the floor. So not in high stakes this time.

01:28:24:26 - 01:28:56:05
Unknown
And I was dealing on the floor and I the table was winning. I came up, started just the table turned. I burnt, you know, the burn cards turned the table. And he was getting madder and madder and madder. And I just kept watching. And all of a sudden I went to go take his money and he comes up with his hand, puts his hand up, and he's like, Are you having flashbacks from Hinkley at Tracy?

01:28:56:07 - 01:29:25:21
Unknown
And I was like, son of a bitch for work security. Security. But I was somebody driving through the front doors of Mystic Lake and getting out, walking around and his underwear. I've seen people jump the tables, grab chips, I've seen tables flipped. We had major storms. So we've dealt with like we had everybody in the casino in the basement of the casino.

01:29:25:21 - 01:29:51:15
Unknown
And I mean, there's so many crazy things that I've seen working along and it was a totally different life. So I've got no worries about dealing blackjack. I have that I don't have to hook up with you and figure that out because me and my buddy go to Vegas every other year. We just do it as kind of just get out and just try to do whatever.

01:29:51:18 - 01:30:15:02
Unknown
That's just a friendly thing to do. We don't stay that long or anything, and man, I don't. I'm not very good at blackjack. I tend to lose a lot. So I just kind of just stop. Played it all together. Yeah, you have to. The biggest thing is if everybody on the table is playing the same, then sure, they're playing it the right way, But it's all in the cards.

01:30:15:04 - 01:30:38:04
Unknown
I mean, I was out is if I dumped it was very rare. I don't know why, but I was always a hot dealer and I'm not hot. Meaning that I would have a hard time giving money. But then there's times where I would try to close the table like we would shift, and the blackjack world that we called eight to forever.

01:30:38:07 - 01:31:00:22
Unknown
You worked 8 to 4, but you couldn't go home until your table was closed. And so there was times where I was trying to get people off of my table, and that's when I would just dump and dump and dump and and sure, you know, we get tips and stuff like that, but we share our tips are all pooled and then divided.

01:31:00:25 - 01:31:34:06
Unknown
So we literally made when I was dealing blackjack, I literally made $5.25 an hour. And then, you know, your tips would bring your wages way up. Yeah, sure. If I had to take a vacation, I had vacation time, but my vacation time was at $5.25 an hour. So vacation book club. Well, before we wrap up here, I'm just going to mention the sources I Unsolved Mysteries on YouTube.

01:31:34:08 - 01:32:08:21
Unknown
I got someone from Timber JD.com Stories on Deadwood's Historic and Haunted Book Hotel. I did some got some information from our old friend Wikipedia and another website Legends of America. So nice, but thank you so much for joining us. And or I say, so you say that joining me here in spirit. Yes I think it was great time.

01:32:08:21 - 01:32:43:16
Unknown
I really enjoyed that. And yeah, we'll have to have Jeremy on next time and maybe do some true crime. Yeah, I worry. I already told these stories on another episode, but maybe down the line I can tell my jean story and my Jeffrey Dahmer story, which they're not my stories, but they're friends of the family who have interacted personally with two of those serial killers and Mr. Dahmer.

01:32:43:19 - 01:33:14:11
Unknown
Yeah, I'm killers, that's for sure. Right. I mean, stories that you hear that you just go, how could these people even, you know, like, I don't get it. Like, how could you be with a serial killer knowing they did what they did and have to like one was buy really quickly. One was a head nurse. And where Ed Gein was staying after he was arrested and he was in a mental institution.

01:33:14:11 - 01:33:41:14
Unknown
So she took care of him on a daily basis. I was in his room. And then the Jeffrey Dahmer story is about a yeah, Jeffrey Dahmer story was about my friend who was my cousin in Milwaukee whose friend was gay. And Jeffrey Dahmer tried to pick him up and take him back to his apartment. And if you remember anything, Jeffrey Dahmer, his apartment, not nice things happened.

01:33:41:16 - 01:34:13:19
Unknown
No, no, not at all. Yikes. Yeah. Yeah. Well, and again then, if I remember correctly, he was extremely intelligent, too, Craig. His his IQ was, like, off the charts, and he was trying to. Jeffrey Dahmer. Jeff Yes. Yeah, yeah. Jeffrey Dahmer had an IQ of 145. Wow which is pretty good. Yeah. really? Quickly, about Eddie. Yeah, really quickly about Eddie.

01:34:13:19 - 01:34:44:25
Unknown
Tracy. He babysit? Did most of the kids in Plainfield, Wisconsin. my God. Yes. No, never, never, never would hurt a kid he loved. And he was a great babysitter. Could you imagine growing up and, you know, I don't remember a lot of my babysitters. I like I'll have like, I'll go to some place in the town that I grew up in.

01:34:44:27 - 01:35:16:23
Unknown
I used to babysit. Wah, wah, wah, wah. But could you imagine? my God. I'd give these to babies every year, even dog, I'm sure. Doctor. Baby, Sad times. yeah. There are some stories out there. People now who would tell those stories like, yeah, And I used to play all the time together and unbelievable. Yeah, it's well, and I was I always used to say, you know, growing up when we grew up, I was like, we had the best childhood.

01:35:16:26 - 01:35:35:21
Unknown
We were able to we are free, we were able to do this and that. The other thing. And, you know, it was all, you know, you never stayed inside because if you stayed inside, you'd have to do chores and you were always outside and outside with your friends and meeting up places. And I'm like, we really had an amazing childhood.

01:35:35:21 - 01:36:03:27
Unknown
But then after I started doing the podcasting stuff, I was like, How did we survive our childhood? Because that was the worst time for kidnapings and serial killers and crack. But we were oblivious. We were just out doing what it was like, whatever I well, thank you so much for having me on the show. I had a blast that I if you ever come back out, I would definitely have you back on too.

01:36:03:28 - 01:36:23:03
Unknown
So for sure. And like you said, we'll have to get Jeremy involved this time. Give him lots of items to see. Sounds good. I Thanks, John. Have a good night. You too, Tracy. Thank you. My My.

01:36:23:09 - 01:36:34:02
Unknown
Well, folks, that's a wrap on today's Wild adventure. We hope you enjoyed saddling up with us. And John from Dairyland frights to explore the ghostly legends

01:36:34:02 - 01:36:54:01
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