00;00;09;23 - 00;01;05;23 Unknown And if you dig the twisted, admired the outlandish and are enamored by the unusual, you're in the right place. True crime, the supernatural, the unexplained. Now you're speaking early, which if you agree, join us as we dive into the darker side, you know, because it's more fun over here. Welcome to Total Conundrum. One should must first move on the phone call to stop this disclosure. 00;01;05;26 - 00;01;41;04 Unknown Is it balanced or. Greetings. Conundrum. True. Jeremy and Tracy are back in the studio, and today we're venturing into the heart of the supernatural. Get ready for a spine chilling journey as Tracy takes us on a ghostly tour of the haunted Palmer House Hotel in Sauk Center, Minnesota. That's right, Jeremy. We're checking in where others might be checking out to the infamous Palmer House Hotel, a place with more than a century of history and an equal amount of haunted tales. 00;01;41;07 - 00;02;04;25 Unknown But before we wander into the ghostly corridors, here's a quick reminder to hit that like, unsubscribe button on YouTube. And for audio aficionados on Apple and Spotify, share the spooky love with a five star rating. We appreciate the love from our spectral and non spectral listeners alike. And speaking of love, let's give a shout out to our podcast pals. 00;02;04;26 - 00;02;39;12 Unknown This week, we're swapping trailers with sex Solved mysteries where they tackle mysteries of unsolved cases and the macabre family bringing a touch of darkness to your ears. Check them out. It's a podcast trailer swap fiesta. Now back to the ghostly business Palmer House Hotel. Jeremy It's not just a hotel. It's a haunted time capsule. Every tweet creak, every whisper, every word, every creak, every whisper. 00;02;39;14 - 00;03;09;23 Unknown It's like checking into a paranormal marriott. Well, Tracy, I hope they have a friendly ghost concierge. Tracy, any ghostly encounters you're excited to share? absolutely, Jeremy. The Palmer House has more ghostly residents than a spectral suburb. We've got apparitions, mysterious voices, and maybe even a ghostly former employee or two. Nice. Pack your ghost hunting gear Conundrum crew. 00;03;09;24 - 00;03;33;19 Unknown We're about to unlock the doors to the Palmer House Hotel and navigate the corridors of the supernatural. Tracy, is there a room with our name on it? You bet. Jeremy How about room six? Six, six? I just kidding. But we might need to ask for some extra towels from the ghostly housekeeping. Tracy, don't forget, we have a special guest. 00;03;33;19 - 00;03;58;01 Unknown Jenny from TCP Paranormal. She worked at the Palmer House for a few years and has investigated the Palmer House and multiple other locations. That's right. And she's also a fellow Minnesotan. Jeremy, are you ready for this spooky episode? Always. Do you have your invisibility blinking tinfoil hat close by? Just in case? Of course. I don't leave the house without them. 00;03;58;03 - 00;04;29;08 Unknown I will be back after these messages. Welcome to Zach. Solved Mysteries, The most important podcast you'll ever hear in your life. I know enough about most things to be inaccurate about everything. We're not just a podcast. We're an experience. As this story works to prepare to have your life transformed. Because not listening to us could be a grave mistake. 00;04;29;09 - 00;04;51;13 Unknown You must wake up every day and say, Today's the day someone's going to murder me. We're not just tackling the classic mysteries of the past. We're rewriting history itself. Robert Stack, I think, had dirt on people. Forget everything you thought you knew about Unsolved Mysteries or any sort of mystery. Maybe there were giants. Who knows? Who cares? Subscribe now. 00;04;51;13 - 00;05;29;28 Unknown Does that solve mysteries? Anywhere you get your podcasts get solved. Mystery solved. My bitches. Hey, everyone. We have Jenny with us today. And I came across I came across Jenny by sending an email to is it Twin Cities paranormal? Is that. That's us? Yeah. Yeah. So I came across a YouTube video of Twin Cities Paranormal, and I reached out to them on Instagram and via email, and they put me in contact with Jenny here. 00;05;30;00 - 00;05;52;06 Unknown So the episode that we're going to be focusing on today is Haunted Hotel in Sauk Center, Minnesota, and it's called the Palmer House Hotel. And Jeremy and I have talked about that in a few different episodes. So we invited Jenny to come on and talk with us and she was more than happy to. We're very excited to have you. 00;05;52;09 - 00;06;16;06 Unknown Thank you. Thanks for having me. Yeah, I've been with Twin Cities for Normal for about 11 years and then I worked at the Palmer House, probably started eight or nine years ago. Very cool. So you're going to have definitely some insider information for us. I got a few stories for you. I'm glad. Well, are you out there on any socials that you'd like to shout out or shout out? 00;06;16;06 - 00;06;53;14 Unknown Anything for Tassie paranormal or Twin Cities paranormal? Yep. So GCP US, we have Facebook and Instagram where we're admittedly not the best with social media, where we're trying to keep up with that. It's hard. I know. So we definitely do Facebook more often than Instagram. And we also so you can just find us with Tdps and or if you just type in Twin Cities paranormal society, we should come up and then our website that has some evidence and some of our older investigations, kind of a bio about all of us and everything like that. 00;06;53;16 - 00;07;17;27 Unknown That's awesome. In dot org. Awesome. So everybody go check them out. Definitely. If you're into the spook factor with our podcast, we do both true crime and paranormal and kind of, my two passions. Yes, I knew I didn't want to pick one or the other. I wanted to kind of combine them together. So I kind of feel like they go harmony and they do. 00;07;17;27 - 00;08;03;00 Unknown They really do. So we're going to start out by asking you some questions. Yeah, do it up. All right. So the first question is, how did you first become interested in paranormal investigations and what inspired you to pursue this field? Okay, I will try and make this as short a story as possible. When I was younger, I grew up a Navy child, so we moved a lot and I think I was around eight or nine and I was living in DC and we lived in and it wasn't really a super old house was probably built in the 1970s, but I just started having crazy experiences there. 00;08;03;03 - 00;08;27;09 Unknown My dad used to be in a band when he was younger. We had an organ in the room next to me and I would wake up and that would be playing all the time. Just a bunch of paranormal things that literally happened to me every single day. And nobody else in my family really experienced anything. Or at least they wouldn't admit that they were experienced anything. 00;08;27;12 - 00;08;49;24 Unknown And, you know, being nine years old, you're you're terrified of it because, you know, it's natural to be scared of what you don't understand. So I grew up absolutely terrified of the paranormal. I Unsolved mysteries. Come on. I'd run out of the room. Anything that had to do with anything scary. I'm out. And then I think I was around 18 or so. 00;08;49;24 - 00;09;11;21 Unknown I think it was 24. And a good friend of mine and I were were traveling and we just had the Travel Channel on and commercials for Ghost Hunters was coming on and we kind of looked at each other and, you know, she's like, we need to watch that. And of course, I'm like, Nope, we we do not need to watch that. 00;09;11;24 - 00;09;34;20 Unknown You have a good time. Let me know when you're done. And she somehow convinced me, and I was just kind of fascinated because Ghost Hunters was kind of the first paranormal show that came out with, you know, Jason Hobbs and Grant Laughlin. Yeah. And their approach was just so different. You know, instead of trying to scare you, it was, let's try and figure this out. 00;09;34;20 - 00;09;58;17 Unknown Let's, you know, let's do the research behind this location. Let's talk to the homeowners. Let's figure this out and and let them know it's not you know, as scary as they might think that it is. And, you know, let's try and find some natural explanations. So it really was just a mind shift in my in my head from like, it doesn't have to be scary. 00;09;58;17 - 00;10;24;20 Unknown Like, there can be explanations behind this. So so it actually encouraged me to write the Fairfax County Historical Society in Burke, Virginia, where I used to live, where I had my experiences when I was younger and I still knew the address, you know, still could tell them stories clear as day. Right. And they you know, they were stoked about it. 00;10;24;20 - 00;10;47;15 Unknown And back in 2004, you didn't really talk about this stuff. So, you know, I didn't really think that I was going to get a response from them, but they were so excited about it. They did a ton of research on the land just because, like I said, the house was built in like 1970s, so it wasn't really necessarily the house that that was having the issues. 00;10;47;17 - 00;11;06;10 Unknown And we just found out so much stuff about the land being right outside of D.C.. Robert E Lee had ties to the land. There were battles on the land. There used to be like a little Catholic school in the 1800s sat on that property. wow. And and I'm just flipping through, you know, reading a bunch of stuff. 00;11;06;10 - 00;11;35;01 Unknown They literally sent me a whole manila envelope of stuff and and I get to this one page that has a picture. And I literally dropped the whole packet because I used to see that man standing outside my room. my goodness. And and that is when it completely okay, I'm not crazy. This actually happened. And it was I mean, I can't explain it. 00;11;35;01 - 00;12;02;04 Unknown It was something I was so scared of my entire life. Just completely turned on the curiosity like, my God, this actually happened now. Now I'm more interested in it, you know? So it literally was ghost hunters that kind of encouraged me to to get past my fear and look at the whole entire field differently. And ever since then, I just wanted to help people that were in the things situation I was in when I was nine years old. 00;12;02;06 - 00;12;25;21 Unknown That's awesome. And I can relate totally to the being so scared of it. I also grew up in a home that I believe was haunted. I tried to tell myself that I was just a kid and but I had friends and other people that were in that house that had experiences as well. And I have always been terrified of the supernatural. 00;12;25;23 - 00;12;47;27 Unknown Terrified? Yeah. And here we are. Right? Right. And I love telling the stories. I love Halloween. I love we do a haunted house every year and I but I will not go to a haunted house like. Like, like a fake one. Like a state fair. Like, okay. my God. Thank you for saying that. Because people don't understand that about me. 00;12;47;27 - 00;13;09;29 Unknown They're like, You won't go to them. One, that people jump out, you know, I will assault them. No, I will go to the haunted mazes. I don't like being scared in that you know, like normal. Yes. Yes. I do not like being startled. I, I, I say that all the time, every Halloween. Let's go to this note because I'll take you to a real haunted house. 00;13;09;29 - 00;13;32;14 Unknown But we're not going there. Exactly. Well, and even when we started doing this podcast is like we should do some extra content, go and do it, do our own investigations, do our own things. We started doing we did a little couple random Nautica adventures, which didn't end up coming into anything, and we sat spooky intentions and didn't find anything. 00;13;32;16 - 00;13;54;21 Unknown And then the one night he's like, Well, let's go to the graveyard. And I was like, Hell no. And he's like, come on, let's go. And he finally convinced me. And we were sitting there and we just had an app on his tablet, and it was so funny because the bugs were so bad. We were sitting in the truck is Why were you sitting in the truck? 00;13;54;24 - 00;14;28;23 Unknown Yeah, because of the bugs Weekly. I know it's weird. Sure. But we were talking about do we're joking around because every time I came home from work, Harry Potter was playing on TV and Jeremy's like, It's the dogs. The dogs like Harry Potter. It's and all of a sudden we had I don't remember what app it was, but it said Wand right after we were talking about Harry Potter and stuff. 00;14;28;23 - 00;14;46;26 Unknown And then it told us to leave. And I'm like, All right, down to leave with time to go. And then it said, Join you. And I was like, You are not welcome to follow me. You are not, you know? And I'm like, okay, good for you. Yeah. So that was that's exactly what you should have done. So that was my first time. 00;14;46;26 - 00;15;14;17 Unknown Like really having any like, you know, it was just an app, you know, whatever are. But, but then there's correlation, no correlation. And then Jeremy decided to look up the most haunted graveyards in Minnesota, and we went, stop it! Green-Wood Cemetery. Wood Cemetery in Duluth. The platforms Cemetery. But my gosh, my stipulation is I would not be there after dark. 00;15;14;19 - 00;15;41;24 Unknown Okay, well, that's there. But we went there, and the first time we went, we just had our phones and we had a Spirit Talker app. Yeah. And it was so funny because I I'm trying to think of I said something about getting cold or something and I don't remember what it replied. But then Jeremy was like, We are sitting on, Have you been to the cemetery? 00;15;41;29 - 00;16;05;13 Unknown I have not, no. So in the center of it there's kind of like a placard and then there's like a raised brick wall areas. We were sitting like on the brick wall. And when you're in the cemetery, you doesn't feel like you're truly in a cemetery because there is literally only like two or three flat gravestones. The rest are just the little cement circle with the numbers and stuff. 00;16;05;13 - 00;16;31;07 Unknown So if you walked out, my gosh, you wouldn't know until you, like, look down at the ground and a lot of the little concrete markers are covered up by the grass. And there's like, was there 4700 and some people buried there? Yeah. And that's so sad. It is. So, you know, anyway, the first time we went was just we went with our phones and just that spirit talker up. 00;16;31;07 - 00;16;56;15 Unknown And I think we had did we have our spirit box at that point or the, the radio thing. I can't remember what it's called now. Yep. That's fair box to box. Yeah. We might have had that as well. But anyway I said something and then it replied to what I said. And then we were sitting on this wall and Jeremy stood up and I was like, Are you getting sore? 00;16;56;15 - 00;17;23;00 Unknown And Alison, the spirit talker, said, Herding, yeah, that's interesting. Yeah. So it was kind of responding here and there in correlation to what we were saying. Didn't have anything bad and we left right at dusk and then we decided we've got a few more pieces of equipment. We got a ram pod, we picked up some cat walls and yeah, what else did we have or what else do we have? 00;17;23;00 - 00;17;42;25 Unknown I can't remember stamps. And we picked up a couple cameras. We wanted the cameras that had night vision. So the first thing that happened is there's one gravestone that has somebody who put like something in the ground where they could, like, hang things off of it. So that's like the only thing that's like standing up above the ground. 00;17;42;27 - 00;18;05;15 Unknown And I was over by that gravesite. Jeremy was, we bought, we bought a drone. So he was trying to use the drone to get like aerial, like B-roll footage and stuff. And we couldn't fly the drone because it was in a no fly zone. So there's like a government restricted area. Yeah, there's a building right by the cemetery that you can't fly there. 00;18;05;17 - 00;18;24;23 Unknown So anyway, I was trying to get my camera working and I was recording, but the mic wasn't working. And so I looked over at Jeremy and I called over. I said, I'm having an issue with the mic because we have external mics on it. And all of a sudden from the woods and mind you, this graveyard, you have to like walk back into it and it's all surrounded by woods. 00;18;24;25 - 00;18;50;03 Unknown Also from inside the woods, I hear somebody call back Mike and I was like, And he's like, No, I heard audibly. Yes. And now it's like, you must there must be somebody. Because there we did find a couple of like squatter tents out in the distance in the woods and stuff. He's like, I don't know. There's, you know, the road construction and, you know, somebody might have just been yelling at a person. 00;18;50;03 - 00;19;20;01 Unknown And I'm like, I know. But it was coincidental. You're right. And then, yeah, we were sitting there, we I had the ramp had set up in the grass and we had cat balls all around it. And then I had a couple of flashlights and stuff like that. We had no activity for ever on the ramp had. And then when we sat down and we were just like videotaping the area where the rampart and the cap walls and stuff were, all of a sudden we started getting like action on the Rampart. 00;19;20;04 - 00;19;38;06 Unknown And Jeremy said, No, I think it's the grass. So he like, moved it to make sure. And then there was nothing. And then I started asking questions and then I it would, you know, it would hit the rampart. And I'm like, okay. And it would go for an extended period of time. Like, okay, you can stop touching it now. 00;19;38;11 - 00;19;57;01 Unknown And then it would stop. Yeah, and then it would it. So I was like it was going back and forth with us. And then at one point I'm like, you know, we said something about the cap balls and then one of the cap balls went off, you know. So it was kind of cool. We actually had some, you know, pretty good, you know, inner arrests and stuff. 00;19;57;03 - 00;20;22;00 Unknown But I'm like, I'm still not staying here past hour. You're no your limits. That's good. Let's move our way up. You don't need to go full, full and all the way. Right? Uppers, right. Well, I have to say, though, too, it is a lot more calming when you're just thinking that you're just communicating and you're not worried about having I mean, you're going to get jump scares and investigate missions. 00;20;22;00 - 00;20;49;26 Unknown I know that, right? Yeah, But it was a little bit more calming. I was just so petrified of it. Now I'm like, okay, I think I can do this. I think I can do this again. Yeah, right, right. And just, you know, that's exactly how I did it, too, is I just, you know, I would find little places, you know, like a cemetery or something, you know, it's harder, like for our team, we never would really be able to do a cemetery just because we are very scientific based. 00;20;50;00 - 00;21;21;22 Unknown Right? So, you know, we we have to eliminate all contamination when we're doing an investigation. And when you're outside, that's really hard to do. It is so it's harder for us to do like cemeteries and stuff like that. But of course, you know, when we first start when I first started getting into this and I'm sure when my my partners on the team first started getting into it, you know, we would do the exact same thing, you know, And then you just kind of seek out places and meet people and and get your opportunities expanded a little bit. 00;21;21;22 - 00;21;50;13 Unknown And but it's good because you don't want to jump fallen and you definitely want to be be aware of your limits. Definitely. Well, Jeremy, what's your question for Jenny? My question is, what is your background and do you have any specific training or certification in the paranormal investigating? Interesting. Good question. So pretty much paranormal investigating is not a proven field, obviously. 00;21;50;16 - 00;22;16;15 Unknown You know, we we work very hard. I think I had mentioned Ghost Hunters Ghosts while Jason Hawes runs an organization called Taps. Yeah. And that is what Ghost Hunters was based off of and we are now and Twin Cities paranormal and then our friends up in other tail county Midwest paranormal files. We are the two top teams for Minnesota so there's tough teams. 00;22;16;17 - 00;22;40;24 Unknown Yep, there's top teams in every state. We're actually international as well. And one of my good friends lives in Germany and is on the tag team team out there. So it's a it's a network. Basically, you know, where if somebody sees the show and they, you know, somebody calls in and and says, I'm having these experiences, then then they can kind of get to to who can help. 00;22;40;26 - 00;23;08;05 Unknown But that's kind of getting off topic. So so it for when I started getting in investigating you know, like you said, Traci, you know you just kind of we're trying to find like little places to go and stuff. So that's kind of how I started into it. And then I ended up managing the ghost tours down at Saint Anthony Main in Minneapolis, which is the oldest part of Minneapolis. 00;23;08;09 - 00;23;38;06 Unknown Okay. And I don't even know that had been 15 years ago, a long time ago. And that just kind of opened up My network, gave me the experiences because that place is crazy haunted. And I, I experienced the good, the bad, the ugly, you know, down there. So, you know, but you're you know, you come across these shows and everything's demon, demon, demon. 00;23;38;08 - 00;23;57;17 Unknown That's not how it is. You know, in 20 years of doing this, I've had to call in a reverend once because I was like, This is way more than I know how to deal with. So but just like people, you're going to have happy people. You're going to have crabby people and and you come across crabby energy all the time. 00;23;57;19 - 00;24;34;20 Unknown You know, that doesn't make it demonic, that doesn't make it negative. That just makes it crabby, you know? So you just kind of you just have to learn how to deal with that energy and how to sense that energy a little bit. And I don't think that there's really any training that you can get for that. I think it's more experience and there's still you know, there's people on my team that have been on for as long as I have that they're like, I have the sensitivity of a paperclip, you know, like I literally even after all these years, you can pick up nothing, you know, like, you know, I'll go through the documentation, but 00;24;34;20 - 00;25;05;04 Unknown I don't feel when something changes in the room. And I think that's something that you kind of learn as you go as well. So, you know, it's just a matter of learning through people that you respect and that you meet in the field. There's so much literature and so many opinions about the paranormal out there. I could never say, you know, do your research and read this author because that's that's how, you know, you need to be doing paranormal investigating. 00;25;05;07 - 00;25;38;19 Unknown This is not a proven field, right? So, you know, there's nothing that saying what's right or wrong. So you just kind of have to put yourself in different situations and see what works for you, you know, network. That's huge in this field. I think most of my Facebook friends, I don't know if I've met most of them, like because they're all just paranormal people that we just, you know, network through and and learn and and see how they do things and, you know, maybe it'll we could try that in an investigation. 00;25;38;19 - 00;26;00;07 Unknown You know, there's no right or wrong way of doing that. It's nice to have people to bounce ideas off of or if you encounter something you're not, I'm not sure how to handle or you got new equipment and all of that stuff. I mean, the equipment's always changing, too. So, yeah, I mean, I feel like it's such a competitive field sometimes and that's like absolutely no reason for it. 00;26;00;10 - 00;26;42;05 Unknown Like, you know, not none of us are doing the right or wrong thing. Right. You know, I just think that we could all learn from each other. So, as far as outside of the paranormal, all of my education and then criminal justice and psychology, that's why you like the true crime. Yeah. Yeah. Yep. My masters is forensic psychologist, so I would have loved to still work with the criminal mind, but I think you know that psychology of it all in that psychology interest of mine and education makes me kind of try and look at it in a different way as well. 00;26;42;05 - 00;27;17;11 Unknown Like the psychology behind the energy, you know, and and what I'm feeling and and how can I how can I get this thing to communicate with me of it's there, you know. Right. So just trying to put in, you know, my education with the psychology, as weird as that sounds. I know it sounds really weird, but I feel like a lot of this is I feel a lot of this in this field is, you know, just just learning your own limits, learning your own psychology kind of behind it and then learning what you can do to to make those respectful communications. 00;27;17;15 - 00;27;43;21 Unknown Definitely. Well, let's go on to the next question. Can you share one or two of the most memorable or intriguing paranormal cases you've worked on? God. there's just so many. I always thought I should have written a book. Is still the hard thing. The hard thing with I now write the hard thing with this is with TCP. 00;27;43;24 - 00;28;12;21 Unknown We're very, very respectful when it comes to confidentiality. We actually have a waiver for every single case that we go on or any, any person that that calls us in. And they have to basically say what they are comfortable with us revealing about the case. There's a lot of places that I can never say anything about any, you know, I can't talk about at all to anybody because they want to remain confidential. 00;28;12;21 - 00;28;38;00 Unknown And and as a team and as a team that respects people, that's you know, that's obviously going to be our biggest priority is maintaining that confidentiality when when people are when people request that. So just because I don't want to waste all the time thinking about which ones I can and cannot talk about, I will talk about some of our fundamental things which we fought for. 00;28;38;00 - 00;29;10;02 Unknown Twin Cities paranormal. We specialize in residential and business businesses. We definitely are in this because we want to help people, but we're also fascinated with the paranormal. So we like to have fun sometimes. Then we try and do group trips. I will say for sure. Waverly Hills in Louisville, Kentucky, I've heard was that, my God, I, I typically tend to be kind of skeptical. 00;29;10;02 - 00;29;48;14 Unknown Also, when we had originally agreed to book it, I was like, you know, this is supposed to be the Disneyland of the paranormal. Like everybody raves about this place we're going to go. Not a thing's going to happen and I'm going to be disappointed. Like, that's right. That's how I look at life sometimes. So we had only booked one night, the very first time that we went, and I want to see you get it from like 8 p.m. to 4 a.m. I want to say maybe it was night because 6 hours sounds so probably 92923924. 00;29;48;16 - 00;30;09;01 Unknown And we had brought a couple of our friends from other teams along just because it was expensive. So we wanted to make sure that we had enough people to kind of bring the costs down for us. So I want to say we have like 12 people that first time. Actually, Grant Wilson from from Ghost Hunters. He's a good friend of ours, and he ended up joining us a couple of times that Waverly as well. 00;30;09;02 - 00;30;38;24 Unknown Very cool. I know. So the first time we were there, you know, you want to coordinate everything, going back to the contamination. We need to know where everybody is at all times. So we would go out and do about an hour session. And our groups and our groups are usually three or four people. And then we'd go back to the base camp and just kind of decide, okay, next session, this is where everybody's going to be or where each team is going. 00;30;38;26 - 00;31;08;25 Unknown And so my team, it was our former members, Jenny, Jay and Blaine, and then somebody that's still on our team, Neil and me. And we were on the third floor and all night we were hearing really loud footsteps and it was a concrete building. And this building is humongous. Like, you should not be hearing footsteps, right? So, you know, we don't think too much of it. 00;31;08;28 - 00;31;30;00 Unknown And we were literally walking down the hallway and we started hearing the footsteps. So we kind of stopped to just kind of listen. And at the end of the hallway, it looked like somebody walked around the corner with a flashlight. But it was brightest damn flashlight you've ever seen in your life, completely lit up the entire and the hallway. 00;31;30;02 - 00;31;54;05 Unknown And so we're calling out, you know, we're like, somebody is on the floor. We are right. We don't want to scare you if you're just, you know, just hanging out. So we're, you know, yelling out like, or we're down here or whatever. And it looks like the the flashlight is still kind of coming towards us. And, you know, like when you're watching somebody coming at you with a flashlight, you can kind of see the balance and they're in their walker, whatever. 00;31;54;07 - 00;32;18;11 Unknown It was, nothing like that. It was literally lit up the entire hallway. And Blaine went to go turn on his flashlight because we had been in the dark. And as soon as he turned on his flashlight, that flashlight or the light at the end of the hallway just completely dissipated and the footsteps up and I'm not an athletic person whatsoever, but I'm like, what the hell was that? 00;32;18;11 - 00;32;41;17 Unknown And so I go off running towards the light because I'm like, it's some jerk is trying to, like, take us through another which nobody on my team would. But, you know, like that was a person. So I go down running towards where the light was because there is a stairwell right around the corner and absolutely nobody there and to this day. 00;32;41;17 - 00;33;06;00 Unknown And that had to have been six or seven years ago. We've been there for a couple of years, but not since. COLVARD That place just is insane. It is insanity. The things that happen there. I don't think I've ever been there where something did not happen. And, you know, and like I said, we're skeptical team, so we try very hard to debunk things into to find natural explanations. 00;33;06;00 - 00;33;32;28 Unknown And to this day, I'm like, this had to have been one of you guys because this was like way too crazy actually happened. And do you think we would have had a camera pointing at it? Of course not, because why would never we would never go, my God, It's just ridiculous. So, I mean, we have it on audio, but but that's about as as much of it as you can hear. 00;33;33;00 - 00;33;55;16 Unknown But yeah, we heard those footsteps quite a while. And I guess I forgot when I ran down to look, you know, see if somebody was leaving on the stairs or from the hallway. The team was still back in the hall in the hallway where we had been standing. And I guess the footsteps walked right past them when I went running. 00;33;55;19 - 00;34;18;11 Unknown And yeah, so so we do have all that on audio. I don't know if we have it anywhere posted, but yeah, we're really is is quite a story. I think that's where we need to bring Jeremy because he has never had something that he he debunks everything ever that places on my list. yeah I, I won't go there by myself with you though. 00;34;18;11 - 00;34;42;21 Unknown We're going to need a team of allies. The team, and just get yourself a crew like it's. I, I can't remember. I want to say it's around $1,000 for up to ten people, and then it's like $100 per any additional. So, you know, get yourself ten people. It's not really that hard. It's a huge building. It's five floors. 00;34;42;23 - 00;35;06;03 Unknown You know, you can spread out if you want. You can see together if you want. They do two hour guided tours as well, right? You know, so so that might be a way to start as well. Yeah that would probably me in because he's like, go. And I'm like, you. Yeah, I need you to sit in the truck and send me and tell me how it goes. 00;35;06;06 - 00;35;31;06 Unknown Don't do that because everybody that wants to be there will get really mad at you. It really is kind of like the Disneyland of the paranormal and everybody that's in the paranormal that's like, we've got to get to where he really is. So you can't waste it. You know, I want I got to build that to it. yeah, That's probably not a bad idea, because, yeah, even the things that happen, even. 00;35;31;08 - 00;35;56;27 Unknown yeah, I, I think I screamed numerous times that way, really. And I don't usually react to that way. So with you being in Minnesota and part of taps and stuff, have you guys worked with Dakota and Chelsea Leighton at all? I know them actually before I even got into this field, before I, you know, joined a team, my own. 00;35;57;03 - 00;36;20;00 Unknown I was with Dakota. I actually live in Hastings now. And any wild or is an author who also lives in Hastings. Actually, I can see your house, my couch, which is kind of creepy. A little bit creepy to say that, but. Hi, Annie. I know she isn't there anymore, but she had a lot of experiences in her house. 00;36;20;00 - 00;36;43;25 Unknown And years ago she would have like little tea parties and have people come in and do investigations. And I actually worked with Dakota at at that property at Danny's house. I never met Chelsea. And God. I mean, Dakota had they're so young. They are young. my God. He had to have been like a teenager still at that point. 00;36;43;25 - 00;37;04;06 Unknown That was when he was still doing kind of the Ghost Adventures. Yes, yes, yes. You know, the parodies. That's what the word I was looking for. He he started doing parodies of ghost adventures. And then they saw it and thought it was really funny. And they're like, Hey, why don't you come in and do some work with us? 00;37;04;06 - 00;37;31;05 Unknown So it was still like when he was doing parodies and just doing like YouTube videos and stuff. That's right, yeah. So I saw them at an event in Duluth a couple of years ago, but I don't really talk to them or really get no on or anything. They're busy kids. They're busy. Well, the reason I asked is, you know, they went to school in Lakeville and they're from Minnesota, and my son actually went to school with all of them. 00;37;31;08 - 00;37;56;04 Unknown really? Yeah. So he knows all of them from going to school in Lakeville with them. So awesome. And I and I grew up in Burnsville, so right next to him. So I did reach out to them on Instagram just to see just to see what they still haven't read my message. wow. Right. Yeah. I thought it would be they are they are very personable people. 00;37;56;07 - 00;38;25;12 Unknown If you ever had to. They're just super friendly. They were always so nice and high school and they really are. And there's absolutely no difference between their personalities now that they are famous before when they weren't, you know. So they're very humble, super, super cool kids. Yeah. Yeah, I. I can't help you there. Sorry. I was just curious if you had encountered them. 00;38;25;14 - 00;38;45;07 Unknown We also have another person we're having on at some point this month, Nash Hoover from Chasing Legends. He was more of a stud hunter and he actually went to school with my son two in Northfield, and he used to play at our house when he was little, so. my God, that's hilarious. Yeah. So we're going to have Nash come on. 00;38;45;07 - 00;39;08;00 Unknown And it's I'm excited because they're kind trying to reboot their show right now. So. Nice. Yeah. See, I years ago, they used to have a pair of con in Menominee, Minnesota and it was kind of a yearly thing and then the reservation kind of kiboshed it. So it, it hasn't been a thing and probably will not be a thing again, unfortunately. 00;39;08;00 - 00;39;26;08 Unknown But I remember that's where I met Nash and it was before he was doing any of the things that he got into. And it's so it's so awesome because it's just like in all you see all these people so many years later and and they have made a name for themselves and fun and yeah, I love it. Yeah. 00;39;26;08 - 00;39;51;17 Unknown And especially with me knowing him since he was a little tyke. I know I went to high school with his mom and. my God, that's hilarious. I love it. I Jeremy, what's the next question? So the next question is, what are the primary tools and equipment used during paranormal investigations and have you ever talked to Elvis? And Have I ever talked to Elvis? 00;39;51;20 - 00;40;24;14 Unknown Elvis? Unfortunately, I'm unfortunately. No, I know, I know. I wish that would be cool. That would be amazing. Anybody famous would be kind of cool. But yeah, they don't they don't really care to hang out like that. I don't think that's so. I've always said that really the most important piece of equipment is a digital voice recorder. There's so many things that so many pieces of equipment these days. 00;40;24;17 - 00;41;03;10 Unknown And yes, we do have all of them because we're all ridiculous and just have to buy everything that's new and upcoming. But but really, I mean, it all really just goes back to if I am sitting there doing an EVP session and I know that I eliminated all the contamination, you know, and I mean, if you watch the shows, like even if you're doing a session and, and water starts dripping from a pipe or something, know, you tag it just so that when you're listening back, you know, I mean, a somebody that's growling can sound awfully demonic when you listen back to that on a recorder, you know, you don't my God. 00;41;03;10 - 00;41;27;01 Unknown It's it can be terrifying sometimes. So you always want to make sure that you're tagging everything like that. So when you know that you're in a pretty controlled environment and you get a full sentence for somebody whose voice that was not in the room with you, that's really hard to debunk. And my best evidence, I think, are some of the EVP that I've gotten over the years. 00;41;27;03 - 00;41;52;10 Unknown So I always say digital voice recorder and a flashlight. You're good to go. But of course, we like flashlights and other things. So I think I started out literally with a night vision camera, and I don't even think it was a camcorder. It was just a regular like photo camera. And then a two meter and a digital voice recorder. 00;41;52;12 - 00;42;18;28 Unknown And that's all I had for a couple of years. And then, you know, you just keep adding to it, you know, our team has a ridiculous amount of of things like litter. I drive a Hyundai Elantra. I cannot carry our equipment to investigations. And my car, our cases literally do not fit in my car well and I going to put our put out there for that car to meter I was doing Yeah go ahead on that. 00;42;19;00 - 00;42;39;21 Unknown If you go to our Instagram, if you're interested in getting a K2 meter, go to our Instagram and look, because I have images of the fake one and the real one because of, you know, to Amazon, you can get them cheaper, but they are knockoffs and they're not the true K2 meters. You're going to be spending around 80 to $100 to get a true K2 meter. 00;42;39;28 - 00;43;01;20 Unknown And yeah, absolutely. The image that I have somebody did of a YouTube video on what the differences and how the stickers look different and how the insides look different. So if you're going to buy a K2 meter, make sure you check out that comparison because you want to make sure you're not getting something that's not going to give you genuine readings. 00;43;01;20 - 00;43;33;27 Unknown I love that you did that. That's awesome. And the reason that those aren't cool to have is because, you know, they basically just pick up the electromagnetic field and anything electric is going to have an impact to it. So, you know, it's not foolproof. You definitely have to know how to use it. And and if you're an investigation and you're walking down the hallway and holding the K2 and it starts going off low, you know, you want to kind of scan walls, scan the floor, you know, hold it above your head, towards the ceiling, make sure that it's not actual electrics. 00;43;34;00 - 00;43;57;22 Unknown You know, there's been residential, residential that we've been called in on. And we go in there and the Amazon, the home is so intensely high, that's just not safe. It's not safe for for people to be around. It can really make you paranoid. It can make you physically ill. So that's kind of why we use K2. That's not only a debunking tool. 00;43;57;24 - 00;44;25;17 Unknown So, you know, there's been plenty of times we've gone into homes and just been like, you know, I'm sorry you don't have ghosts, but you need an electrician, you know, like you're not safe with sleeping with all of this, you know, radiating out of your walls. So when you guys do go into investigate, do you guys actually, like, shut down the main power so that way, that too, We do not shut down the main power, but we do a scan. 00;44;25;17 - 00;44;52;15 Unknown So when you first go into the home, you obviously want to know where like the electrical boxes are and everything and, and we'll go through every single room and any room that is kind of giving us higher readings. Then we'll go into that specific room and try and it down like, is this coming from wires, you know, or is this completely random? 00;44;52;17 - 00;45;14;07 Unknown So, you know, it's constant debunking because even if you're sitting there and and it hadn't been going off and all of a sudden it start, you know, you start getting the readings on it, you still want to pick it up and go kind of scan that floor, scan anything that's near it. Make sure cell phones, if you're getting up, call on your cell phone. 00;45;14;07 - 00;45;38;12 Unknown So, yes, always turn your on airplane mode if you're doing an investigation, because it does kick on a lot of the equipment. So we don't necessarily shut down the power, but we do a a scan before we actually start to investigate just so that we know where the higher readings are. And then we try and figure out why we're getting higher readings in those locations. 00;45;38;14 - 00;46;04;01 Unknown That's really good to know. Yeah, well, I think we're going to skip the next question because you kind of just covered that. The last question. Go ahead and ask next one, Jeremy. Which one is it? Number six, How do you approach cases with a healthy dose of skepticism and what methods used to debunk potential paranormal phenomena? So we kind of covered it a little bit in the last question. 00;46;04;07 - 00;46;41;18 Unknown You. But yeah, and so theoretically, again, nothing in this field is proven, but theoretically all that spirits are are energy. And you know, even Albert Einstein said you don't die. Your energy just changes changes form. So when we're on investigation, that is what we're trying to communicate with. We are trying to communicate with that energy. And I think that sometimes a way that you can try and help people make it a little bit less scary too, is, you know, these are just people without bodies for the most part, you know? 00;46;41;19 - 00;47;04;23 Unknown I mean, yeah, that might be a little weird to say, but like, you know, it's not any scarier than interacting with anybody else. You know, I work in law enforcement right now. Like, let me tell you, real people are a lot scarier. I was just going to say that you got a lot like and I've had a couple of my other like contact me and say, you know, my God, what? 00;47;04;26 - 00;47;25;06 Unknown You know, this is going on. And I'm just like, why are you even scared? Like, you deal with so much more dramatic stuff? That's a lot scarier. And they know it's like, God, it's going to take me a lot of time to change a cop's mind that it's not scary. But I totally went off topic here. What was the question again? 00;47;25;07 - 00;47;48;25 Unknown I'm sorry. No, no, no. Zero peacefully. Yeah, right. That's me. Totally. Just how do you approach it with that healthy dose of skepticism and. yes. What methods do you potentially use to debunk what you kind of already did mentioned with like, yeah, my friend have the I mean, you just kind of got to know your equipment because you don't know your equipment. 00;47;48;25 - 00;48;09;22 Unknown You're going to get readings that you're going to think are readings. But, you know, like I said, with the K2, you know, you might just have it sitting in the middle of the floor, not next to anything electric. And just because you've already done a scan and haven't gotten something that show up in that room doesn't mean that it's not going to kick on at some other point. 00;48;09;22 - 00;48;32;20 Unknown You know what I mean? So you've got to know your equipment, you've got to know what it's testing, and then you've got to know what it can be picking up. So like I said, you know, it's just that constant. I mean, not that you want to be moving around all the time on an investigation, but when you do start to get a reading, don't just take it at face value. 00;48;32;22 - 00;48;55;29 Unknown You know, you want to have other pieces of equipment set up to see if that you can get that correlation. And if you're not getting a correlation. Okay, let's go pick up that piece of equipment. Let's walk around slowly. Let's see if we can kind of track down the source. And if you can't track something down, that's when you start to look at, you know, more paranormal explanations, eyes. 00;48;56;00 - 00;49;30;04 Unknown Very cool. Well, we'll kind of get into some of the questions on the Palmer House now. Let's do it. Have you captured any particularly compelling electronic voice phenomena or the EVP recordings at the Palmer House? And what do they reveal about the spirits or the entities present there? I like it. So when before I started working there, we went down as a team and TCP was one of the very first teams to actually investigate the Palmer House. 00;49;30;04 - 00;49;51;20 Unknown It was before I was on the team. We were formed in 2006 and I enjoy and I want to say in 2014. So I don't I don't necessarily know how many times they had been there before I joined the team, but once I joined, we had gone up and we Kelly had pretty much just given us free rein just because she knows us. 00;49;51;22 - 00;50;21;10 Unknown So we just kind of paid for our rooms and just did our own investigate thing. And I was sitting, I want to say, in the third floor hallway in between room 17 and 22, which is kind of notoriously. Yeah, yeah. Kind of nuts if you ask what rooms are and what's on it. Not that we lock them in any specific room, but those are kind of the notorious ones that people talk about and you can't hear it audibly. 00;50;21;10 - 00;50;45;10 Unknown So I didn't pick it up until I actually was doing my review all. But you can clear as day your two children and it sounds like two little boys possibly, and one of them kind of giggles and then the other one starts to sing. And it was it was like doo doo doo doo doo doo, you know? And then that was kind of the whole EVP. 00;50;45;10 - 00;51;07;20 Unknown It was probably, you know, maybe 30 seconds long. And there is no supposedly a little boy that bounces them all down the hallways there. So, yeah, that's our friend Carlyle. That was the son of the Palmers I have in my story, which we'll be getting into in a little bit here, but I have in there that there was a little boy that died there, but I didn't know how or why here. 00;51;07;23 - 00;51;37;07 Unknown What were the circumstances of him passing there? Yeah. So. Well, Carlyle. Yeah. He didn't pass there, but the Palmers lived there. So when they built the hotel in 1901, Ralph and Christina Palmer, like the mom and dad. And then they had Carlyle and Hazel was their daughter, and they all lived at the hotel. And I don't know Carlisle's full story, but I do know that he grew into a into an adult. 00;51;37;07 - 00;51;57;09 Unknown I believe he went into military, and one of my old coworkers used to see a man in military form in the kitchen. And and they they thought it possibly could have been him. We've had, like his grandchildren come in and like, look at pictures and stuff. I don't know how he died, though, but he didn't die in the hotel. 00;51;57;09 - 00;52;20;14 Unknown I know that. Okay. There are no I'll say that there are no documented deaths involved in interest does not mean that nobody has rights, just means it's not documented. And that's like we talked about. And when we first got on the phone is it's hard when you're an investigator, like researching paranormal cases to know what is true and what is not. 00;52;20;14 - 00;52;51;11 Unknown Because people will spin stories and absolutely. So it's like if you're if somebody died there. Exactly. And so let's go to the next one. Yeah. How do the reported paranormal activities impact the experiences of the guests staying at the Palmer House? And how does the hotel management handle these occurrences? Well, I think most people that are going to be going to the Palmer House know what they're now out in the middle of nowhere. 00;52;51;11 - 00;53;15;27 Unknown Sauk Center. Yeah. You know, a lot of our guests are coming there for the paranormal, and I've always said that it's a great place to go because Kelly works so hard to keep a positive energy. I cannot tell you how many times I've been there, and then I get a knock at my door at 4:00 in the morning and they're like, Energy's off. 00;53;15;27 - 00;53;39;24 Unknown We need to go say, no. So. So we go down 5:00 in the morning, whatever, to the basement, and, you know, try and figure out, you know, because, I mean, when you have so many people coming there with the paranormal, how many people are bringing their own stuff with them? Right. And how many people are doing their own things or trying to. 00;53;39;25 - 00;54;08;08 Unknown Yeah. Yeah. Or antagonizing then. Yep. And if we find out that that's happening, we'll that's not going to be happening. It is extremely important. And Kelly this is what I really respect about her and I've met so many owners of haunted locations and and sadly this is kind of something that really makes her different is she's not all about the money. 00;54;08;10 - 00;54;35;14 Unknown She doesn't care. You know, if you're bringing her money or not. She wants the place respected. She does not call herself the owner of the hotel. She calls it the caretaker. She's the caretaker of the hotel, you know, making sure that the resident spirits are respected and that things are being called in that should not be there. You know, obviously, there's only so much you can do. 00;54;35;14 - 00;54;59;25 Unknown But I've seen her chuck Ouija boards out the front door and kicked people out because, you know, I mean, it's listed pretty clearly on her website, like, no, no weed boards are allowed. She does not agree with that. And if people try and sneak them in and she finds out, well, you're kicked out, you know, I mean, she takes it very seriously. 00;54;59;25 - 00;55;31;22 Unknown And and that might seem kind of harsh, but as an apparent normal investigator and as somebody who's been in that place, the energy has gotten off. It's very respectful. I will always tell her that's one of the things I respect most about her, is she really does take care of the spirits and and by making sure that she's taking care of the spirits and making sure that the energy stays positive, there, you know, that's what brings the guests back, you know, and that's or at least the gas. 00;55;31;22 - 00;55;56;06 Unknown You want to come back to come back. Yeah. I mean, obviously we get a lot of different people. But, you know, she's very clear about her expectations and and making sure that everything's respectful and that's a good thing to do. I a years ago I worked at a bar in Dundas and they've got you know, they've got all of the things it's an old building that's been taken over multiple times. 00;55;56;11 - 00;56;16;24 Unknown They had lots of activity with like the James Gang and stuff like that there. Ooh fan And when I worked there, I had a ghost, a little girl ghost follow me home. So in one of our episodes, I interviewed the owner of the bar, who was a bartender at the time when I worked there, and she now lives above the bar. 00;56;16;24 - 00;56;36;08 Unknown And so it was for a Halloween episode and I wanted to kind of, you know, get her perspective now that she's the owner of the bar and she lives there and she's like, you know, I've given them there's a room in the front of the, you know, their apartments that they don't go into. That's where they have experiences, whatever. 00;56;36;08 - 00;56;59;00 Unknown They leave that room for the ghosts, and there's no room in the basement that they don't open. They just they leave it and everything stays pretty calm. And she's been approached by multiple different teams to come in and investigate. And she's like, And I tell them, no, because we don't have anything bad going on. So I don't want to stir it up. 00;56;59;02 - 00;57;26;01 Unknown And I'm like, That's a great way to work. Work it. You have an understanding with the spirits that are there. Why stir anything up if nothing's happening? You know, absolutely. And the spirits that we have at the Palmer House and there are a lot it's their home like we don't want to be, you know, you can't just have constant people coming in to your house and not starting to feel uncomfortable at some point, you know, like if that makes any sense. 00;57;26;01 - 00;57;44;20 Unknown But it's so important just because it is such a a hot paranormal spot, it is so important for us to keep that energy positive of there. Definitely. It's you know, it's not good for the living either. If you have all this negative stuff coming in all the time with with people that may not even know that they're bringing it in. 00;57;44;21 - 00;58;09;22 Unknown Right. You know, it can really mess with the personalities of the living, too. And, you know, I mean, there's been times that it's like, God, I need to get out of this place for a minute. You know, I just step away from myself. Yeah. I just need to ground myself or or you can tell, you know, who's been working way too many hours and hasn't been outside of the hotel enough, you know, because, you know, their personality kind of changes. 00;58;09;22 - 00;58;28;27 Unknown And, you know, not that it's necessarily negative, but that's a nice thing about the Palmer House is, you know, there's so many people that are so connected to that building. There's been times that I've been at home, you know, in the city, or I'm like, okay, I wake up in the middle of night and I'm like, Something, Something's off at the Palmer house. 00;58;28;27 - 00;58;49;25 Unknown And the next morning are all like, text clear or, you know somebody else. And we'll find out, you know, a guest was doing this or that. You know, it is weird because there's so many people that have such a strong connection to the Palmer House and and I do consider myself one of those people. That's awesome. Yeah. All right. 00;58;49;25 - 00;59;32;19 Unknown So one last question and then we'll get into the story. All right. What is your favorite haunted location in Minnesota other than the Palmer House that you've investigated? I would say, I, I'll go ahead and say Cindy Anthony Main down in Minneapolis. it's been years since I've been down there, and it's been years since I worked down there, so I don't really know what the energy is like down there right now, but it is by far one of the most fun places I've ever been. 00;59;32;21 - 00;59;54;27 Unknown And a lot of the places that we had access to when I was doing the tours were rented out to poor people that have to be have to be in their offices all day in those haunted places. But, you know, we were just about a block away from the soap factory, which so factory had some pretty nasty energy. 00;59;54;29 - 01;00;13;25 Unknown Well, they lie and they do go ahead. They use ah, I don't know if they still do, but they did a pretty wicked haunted house. And that soap factory, too. Yep. And yeah, they called us in one year to assist with an investigation. And it was during Halloween, so all of their props were set up. my gosh. 01;00;13;25 - 01;00;40;05 Unknown And and that's kind of a touchy situation for me. Everybody has different opinions, but I just feel like that's very, very disrespectful. You know, when you have clear evidence that you have spirits at a location like I'm sorry, don't don't be making gory and and horrific scenes. I mean, I don't know. I just I kind of have strong opinions about it, but that's totally just me, because everybody else loved that haunted house. 01;00;40;07 - 01;01;09;17 Unknown I obviously never went except for when we actually did the event. But it wasn't during on Honored House. But yeah, it's kind of gross gross energy. And if you go on our web page that keeps them in that order, we have probably one of our most disturbing EVP is the Soap Factory. And fortunately, I don't have that kind of gross energy that you fell to the soap factory a block away at Saint Anthony, Maine. 01;01;09;19 - 01;01;38;16 Unknown But, you know, there were definitely times that I was like, Yeah, it's time to go. You know, things would come in, but it was very, very active down there. So, you know, if you're interested in stuff like that, the Astor House, I believe that's Reynolds and Proctor are kind of on that same block where I used to run the tours and their restaurants that they're still in and business, you know, we would go through there and and they had activities. 01;01;38;16 - 01;02;06;01 Unknown So just go get something to eat. Yeah. Very cool. All right. Well, we're going to dive into the story here and yeah, feel free as I go through because I'm assuming a lot of the information that I have you'll have more information on. So feel free to support me or correct anything. Like I said, I went to multiple sites, kind of cross-referenced, but again, it is a paranormal. 01;02;06;01 - 01;02;36;16 Unknown So yeah, it's hard. Yeah. You're going to get 20 different stories for one incident. And so, like I said, feel free to interrupt me at any time or if you have anything to add or whatever, don't don't hesitate. All right. Sounds good. All right. So the Palmer House Hotel, nestled in the heart of the charming town of Sauk Center, Minnesota, is a historic establishment that has earned a chilling reputation for being haunted for over a century. 01;02;36;16 - 01;03;09;16 Unknown Guests and staff members alike have shared spine tingling tales of encounters with the supernatural within hotel's walls, from ghostly apparitions to unexplained phenomena, the Palmer House has become a destination for paranormal enthusiasts seeking a taste of the otherworldly. Join us as we explore the ghostly legends that surround this iconic landmark. The Palmer House Hotel has a rich history that dates back to its construction in 1901, originally known as the Center House. 01;03;09;19 - 01;03;33;20 Unknown It was built in 1864. The stock center house was a saloon hotel and a brothel that fell victim to a mysterious fire. On June 26, 1900. The fire was not investigated for the town was just happy that it was gone, for it was a blemish. And that was one thing I found that a lot of people that is correct. 01;03;33;22 - 01;04;09;08 Unknown That's good to know. And the other thing I came across, but I never really got any proof on it was that there was potentially people that were in the basement of it when it was on fire, but there was nothing that was pointed. Any proof to you that there was anybody that fell victim in the fire? Right. All of the newspapers that we've ever seen or any any of the stuff from that time when it happened, honestly, there was one newspaper that said that should have gotten out, got out. 01;04;09;10 - 01;04;33;24 Unknown So there is no documentation on if there actually were any deaths or not by squatters or anything. Right. But it was kind of deemed, as you know, a place of ill repute. So so, yes, that is kind of the viewpoint of it is it was just kind of an eyesore and brought in attention that they did not want for the city. 01;04;33;24 - 01;05;02;26 Unknown So nobody was really sad when it burned down. Okay. So we'll go ahead and continue. The Palmer House was built in its place by Ralph and Christine Palmer. Ralph was quoted as saying, Go big or go home when he was building on the rubble of the former Sauk Center home, he built a hotel with 40 rooms complete, with washrooms and electricity, and I got a few different discrepancies on the actual amount of rooms I saw between 38 and 40. 01;05;02;29 - 01;05;23;18 Unknown So I'm not so sure. I've always heard in the thirties. Okay. And then I believe one bathroom on each floor. Okay. And it was not typical for a hotel of that time to have electricity. And it was the first building in Sauk Center to actually have electricity. I want to say it was one of the first in Minnesota. 01;05;23;21 - 01;05;42;17 Unknown really? So even bigger than just the town. Nice. Yes, because a lot of people would travel out there for that reason, because it had the working plumbing and electricity, which most people in the state did not have very interest in. So they were you know, they were really, really going. But they were ahead of their time. Yeah. 01;05;42;19 - 01;06;11;05 Unknown Really? Yeah. So the Palmers lived there with their children, Hazel and Carlisle and Christina's mother and her brother, George Brander, also worked at the hotel, thus endeared the hotel to many. And because this was an era before apartment buildings, some people lived there full time. A few raised families, many had hard lives. And yes, some even died here, which you said that there are no documented deaths there. 01;06;11;11 - 01;06;38;07 Unknown Correct. Okay. So again, that's something that when you're dealing with the paranormal, you're basically people think if somebody dies there, that that makes it haunted. Right? Right. Basically, the place has a very big history. The Palmer House was a popular gathering place for locals and travelers alike. Nobel Prize winning author Harry Sinclair Lewis worked at the Palmer House when he was young. 01;06;38;10 - 01;07;08;29 Unknown Is that correct? That is correct. Very good. And he was fired at numerous times. And I love that. I love it. The hotel was used as a model for the fictional and I'm going to butcher this Minnie Mouse house. Yeah. Yeah. Right. Yep. Okay. For Main Street. Yeah. Yeah. Sinclair Lewis's. Yeah. Which appeared in his novel Main Street in 1920. 01;07;09;02 - 01;07;36;06 Unknown Over the years, the hotel has changed hands several times. But one thing that has remained constant the eerie tales of the haunting that continue to be associated with the Palmer House. The hotel endured an ambitious makeover in 1993, exposing its natural beauty from top to bottom. With respect to Richard Palmer's idea, however, some of the comforts to which society has been accustomed to have been added. 01;07;36;09 - 01;07;58;00 Unknown The hotel originally housed. I haven't here 38 to 40 small rooms with with guests sharing a bathroom, common necessity room type bathrooms so that must be the one that you said like one on each hallway. Yep. I believe one on each floor is right. One or two on each floor. yeah. That's what I manage for. Not hallway. 01;07;58;02 - 01;08;28;27 Unknown Wrong word. Yeah. There are now 19 rooms each with its own bathroom facility, some complete with Jacuzzis to pamper you a little bit. That's my room. Yeah, that's you do get 12. 12 is the best Jacuzzi room. What's that? It has a great view. Yeah. What's the most haunted room? I want that one, two, 17 and 20. Which one itself. 01;08;29;00 - 01;09;02;00 Unknown So 22 or 17 is supposed to be Lucy's room. Yeah. And that's kind of the notoriously most active room. And then the room across the hall is 22 in. That's what we Raymond's room. And then my personal favorite room is 11, which is on the second floor. And that is what we call in this room. However, I have been in every single square inch of that hotel and there has not been a square inch that something has not happened. 01;09;02;02 - 01;09;29;21 Unknown So yeah, we we do not lock them in our room. So so when people call and say, put you in the most tiny room, we're like, okay, so you can stay in the cafe, you can stay in in the lobby, you can stay on the staircase like every single inch of that place has. Yeah. Has activity. And honestly, one of the rooms that I've had the least activity in is 17, which a lot of people are going to kill me for saying that. 01;09;29;21 - 01;09;55;08 Unknown But, but yeah, every single room is very active there. But 12 is amazing just because it does have the Jacuzzi and it has a great view. Well, that's the room we're going to book then. All right, do it up. So one of the most enduring and well-known spirits said to inhabit the house is a little boy, a playful and mischievous ghost. 01;09;55;10 - 01;10;20;06 Unknown According to local legends, he tragically passed away within the hotel many years ago. So there again is a discrepancy. Yep, no documentation. And that and Carlisle did grow into old age. But we do know that they say a ghost can go back to when the when and where they want saw the time period and where they are most happy or wherever they have their unfinished business so that makes. 01;10;20;06 - 01;10;51;26 Unknown Yep. And I agree that yeah I definitely I believe that. So visitors and staff members have reported numerous encounters with him. Most through reporting hearing him bouncer ball in the hallway. Some have even claimed to see the ghostly wave playing with his prized toy. Some have reported hearing the sound of childish laughter echoing through the halls. Others have witnessed objects moving on their own accord, attributing these phenomena to the playful spirit of the young boy. 01;10;51;29 - 01;11;14;11 Unknown There's been claims of seeing a spectral figure resembling a young boy, swiftly traversing the rooms in the corridors of the Palmer house. So there's some truth to it and some not. You say, yeah, you got some EVP ears of a little boy or little two little boys? Yup. It definitely sounded like two separate little boys. Sounded like little. 01;11;14;13 - 01;11;38;05 Unknown It sounded like little boys. Obviously, it's hard to tell because they sounded very young. But we do. We get children beeps all the time, and we actually have a children's room in the Palmer House on the third floor with like, you know, just toys and well, chalkboard and and stuff. So that's that's another place that people like to try and investigate and communicate. 01;11;38;08 - 01;12;03;06 Unknown And I don't think that the only child there, but I definitely believe he can come back as a child. definitely. So here is another partial I think discrepancy as well. So when I was doing the research, it said that Rooms 11 and 17 are considered the most active in the building. Yeah. Yep. So 717 would be considered Lucy's room That's on the third floor. 01;12;03;06 - 01;12;26;03 Unknown And then 11 is is my favorite room that's in his room. And we do actually have a picture of what appears to be an apparition standing at the window. And 11, when somebody had checked out of the hotel and they had been staying and they went out to the parking, were just taking pictures of the back of the building. 01;12;26;03 - 01;12;57;04 Unknown And there I mean, you definitely see somebody standing in the window and they had just checked out. So there shouldn't have been anybody in the room. Yeah, they should have that out. The Palmer if you guys go ask assistance here picture. Cool. Yeah. So then it goes on to say the guests and investigators noted that room 11 sometimes feels cooler than the other rooms and some have the variance are the feeling of a cat leaping onto the bed and stepping over the covers when there was nothing there. 01;12;57;06 - 01;13;25;20 Unknown Yeah, I have actually. I used to serve breakfast when I would go down for a weekend or whatever, and I can recall at least two times that I've had people waiting for me to open the cafe doors at 7:00 in the morning when we opened back then. And that needed to check out because they have huge cat allergies and their allergies were going crazy and they're like, There's cat in the building. 01;13;25;20 - 01;13;44;19 Unknown And we're like, I know there's not. No, not a living one anyway. Right, Right. But I mean, you definitely do get a I can't tell you how many people I've been on a tour doing a tour in the basement where people have been like, okay, I need to get out because there has to be a cat around here. 01;13;44;22 - 01;14;08;21 Unknown It's crazy how many people just all of a sudden are like, I'm to cats and I'm also having a good reaction. Yeah, you know, I wish they would come hang out with me. I love cats. Yeah. All right. So room 17 is allegedly home to a ghostly prostitute named Lucy. Lucy is believed to have lived during the 1880s when the hotel was transformed. 01;14;08;21 - 01;14;34;07 Unknown And so is that the one that bagels megabytes trying to make out with? Yeah, not trying to make her. because of your event. There was a podcast that I used to listen to megabytes and megabytes and it has stuck in my head. So any time we talk about baggage now, we always say bagel bites and my God, I love it. 01;14;34;07 - 01;15;04;01 Unknown That's hilarious. I mean, I have other words for that, but I well, and I do get into his investigation of the Palmer House and here, too, I do briefly cover his investigation, but yeah, he is they're kind of a little out there. I love that. I mean, I I'm going to be honest, I've actually never watched the Palmer House episode just because I didn't want to be pissed off. 01;15;04;04 - 01;15;28;19 Unknown So. So I just was like, I, you know, I don't want them to spend the Palmer house right in the wrong light. And from what I understand, they kind of did. But yes, they were in room 17. Yes. And, and I believe they like mess with the furniture and, and I kept that part out because I didn't want to, you know, with them antagonizing basically. 01;15;28;19 - 01;15;44;29 Unknown Yeah. In the episode he's like, I know she doesn't like things to be moved or whatever. And they took one of the chairs and put it up on the bed and they're like, Well, how do you like that? Ruined? And I purposely left that out because I don't like people antagonizing. So. So yeah, well, thank you for saying that. 01;15;45;02 - 01;16;04;29 Unknown I don't either And that's just my, my opinion of the Kelley things very highly and they were very respectful when they were there. So I just want to say and it was funny because when I watched the episode they portrayed her as an employee. It wasn't until I started researching on my own that I found out that she was actually the owner. 01;16;05;00 - 01;16;35;04 Unknown Yeah. Yeah. So? So And know this is not correct now because you had said that nobody had died in the Palmer House, but her story tells of a murder at the hands of her pimp, Ramon, who who is said to haunt room 22. So now. Yeah that's right across the hall from 17 and then due to her tragic and Lucy does not like men and will physically attack them so I'm not sure how much we know that the death isn't correct. 01;16;35;04 - 01;16;59;20 Unknown I don't know if the link to Lucy and Raymond is correct, but. And but as for the main factor, I know Zach brought that up because I think that they were getting any activity because of them. I'll be in man Right. And and there has I mean so I'm just going to start with saying this is not documented so nothing about Lucy, nothing about Raymond, nothing about Annie. 01;16;59;23 - 01;17;28;13 Unknown You know, the big ghosts of the Palmer house, I guess, if you will. It's not documented is what people have picked up on over the years. Okay, so while I don't want to say there's no proof because I work there long enough and I was there long enough to know that there is something going on there, whether it is the names and the stories that were given them, I don't know. 01;17;28;15 - 01;17;52;10 Unknown But, you know, yes, there is definitely a female in room 17 and I don't want to get off topic too much here, but one really funny story my team was was investigating one time and it was January or February, so it was really slow. We had the entire hotel. I was staying in room 22 and a former member of ours, his name is Jaco. 01;17;52;10 - 01;18;21;22 Unknown He is know kind of a short, chubby Greek man and he was staying in 17 and in the middle of the night I woke up and there was an extreme I mean, literally felt like it was burning my nose hairs smell of perfume in my room 22 and I literally had to like, put my blanket over my face because it was so strong and eventually, you know, dissipated and went back to bed, whatever. 01;18;21;25 - 01;18;42;06 Unknown The next morning I was talking about it at breakfast and Jaco, like, just kind of looks me like, So what time was that? And I don't remember, let's just say one or two and, you know, so I said, I'll probably woke up around one or two and he said, You know, that's the time that I got into the Jacuzzi and he was in 17th. 01;18;42;09 - 01;19;10;20 Unknown And and so my theory is that Lucy was like, hell no. And didn't want to see that because not many people would and was like, I'll just come over and hang out with Jenny in 20 to, my gosh, that's hilarious. So it's like little I mean, it's like little things like that, but it's like I have so many of those stories that really do actually kind of correlate the stories that have been told. 01;19;10;20 - 01;19;34;10 Unknown You know, that, okay, Lucy, you know, might not be such a fan of little Greek men, But yeah, you, you know, she'll come hang out with me about and I'll bring 22. So yeah, so I do, I do want to say that there's nothing in any files that we've ever found that name Lucy, any, any and Raymond, you know, we don't have proof that that happened. 01;19;34;13 - 01;20;03;11 Unknown Okay. But that is the personality that we have given them, and they definitely live up to it. Nice. I have on Raymond that he reacts negatively towards female guests and he especially dislikes the hotel owner Kelly. And it says this may stem from his belief that women should know their place and not take on the responsibility of operating in the business like the Palmer House, which that can be understandable. 01;20;03;14 - 01;20;28;14 Unknown A lot of people that I know, especially females, did not like Room 22. You can kind of really feel the masculine energy in there. I never felt threatened, but I do know that one of our housekeepers, she's like, I don't even want to clean that room. I just feel so threatened when I go in there. Yeah. So I'd say that there's kind of some truth to that, too. 01;20;28;16 - 01;20;55;22 Unknown And so then I did find an interview from Kelly that said that she has felt Raymond's present presence times and was physically assaulted by him and says on multiple occasions she refuses to appease him now and continues her role as the owner. And that sounds like Kelly. You know, she's this sounds like from what I got from some of the interviews I watch, she's a tough gal. 01;20;55;28 - 01;21;19;26 Unknown Yeah, she is. She was definitely put into that place when they bought the hotel. She didn't know anything about the hauntings. So, you know, and and I think even when people started talking about it, I think she was still kind of like, okay. But there could not be a better person that hotel. And and like she says, you know, she is the caretaker. 01;21;19;26 - 01;21;46;13 Unknown She would never call herself the owner of the hotel. She is the caretaker. So they chose her. I definitely believe that. Definitely. So then I goes on to say, while Lucy's presence is undoubtedly one of the hotel's most famous hauntings, the Palmer House has a rich history that extends beyond her tragic tale. During the Prohibition era, the establishment operated as a clandestine speakeasy. 01;21;46;13 - 01;22;08;22 Unknown Is that true? Again, we don't have proof. Okay? Just a lot of things that we have come across in the basement, a lot of documentation that we've gotten from from investigations. I don't know if you've ever watched The Dead Files episode on the Palmer House that night, but not the one on the Palmer House. I'll have to check that out. 01;22;08;22 - 01;22;41;21 Unknown Yeah. So they did one on the Palmer House and they actually found out information that we never knew about that want to see a police man or a security officer was walking around kind of doing his rounds one evening. And this was during prohibition. I don't remember the year and he ended up getting shot. He stumbled to about a block away across Main Street where the P.D. used to be, went into the lobby and collapsed and died on the floor. 01;22;41;21 - 01;23;09;22 Unknown And we think and again, speculation. But what we believe is that he probably walked in and saw something he wasn't supposed to be seen, because it is very it is very likely, even though we don't have that documentation, that some shady things were going on in that basement, especially during Prohibition. Yeah, definitely. Yeah. So again, we don't have that, you know, we don't have anything saying that that's true. 01;23;09;22 - 01;23;40;03 Unknown But I, I think everybody that works there and everybody that's been there probably agrees that. I think we all have that same theory that, you know, there is probably some things directivity and and some shady happenings. I mean, there's tunnels under underneath Fox Center, especially downtown. And, you know, we believe that it was probably, you know, the alcohol was probably brought in through those tunnels and, you know, they needed a dark cold basement to store it. 01;23;40;03 - 01;24;16;09 Unknown And so, again, I don't have proof. But, you know, if you if you look kind of like the ahead of Saint Paul then, Yeah. Yeah, very. Yeah, yeah You know, it it's kind of fun, but but yeah, we, we don't have that documentation, but we definitely have our speculation and speculations. So visitors, according to my research, have reported hearing ghostly sounds of glasses clinking, muffled voices engaged in lively conversations and echoes of resonating from the empty rooms or even the hotel's basement at times. 01;24;16;11 - 01;24;43;15 Unknown Absolutely. Yeah. Probably at least ten times have seen, like, wine glasses or, you know, beer mugs fly across the table and smash on the wall and chatter like it. It's not abnormal for that to happen. That's crazy. And then I have full bodied apparitions have been seen in the bar area. Many that a man hung himself there during the 1950s. 01;24;43;18 - 01;25;11;10 Unknown So again, another speculation of a dead somebody that died there right? I've heard that, too. I don't Yeah, I don't I don't know if that's true. The bar is definitely a very active location, but I don't know if he's related to it or again, no documentation. Okay. And then it's multiple paranormal investigators have seen a humanoid shaped gray smoke in the room. 01;25;11;12 - 01;25;43;00 Unknown All tingly. Who was the owner of the hotel during the seventies? Published a book discussing the Palmer House titled The Corner of Main Street, which also mentions the strange entity. So I'm not sure how much truth is there as to that Him and his partner owned the hotel before, and I think it was the person before. There was one lady before Kelly, and then they owned it before that lady and I don't know if they lived there, but I do remember hearing that they wrote a book. 01;25;43;00 - 01;25;50;19 Unknown I unfortunately have not read it yet, and I actually kind of forgot about it until you just next Thursday. 01;25;50;22 - 01;26;10;07 Unknown We're here to help you find me that I tried to go. Do you mean to find me? Yeah, because I've always wanted to read it, and I think I want to stay. Kelly has, like, old copies of it in the basement. then she was going to, like, re God. And now maybe are making things up. But I think over cold. 01;26;10;09 - 01;26;40;18 Unknown I want to say overkill that we did so much cleaning there and just, you know, purging just because we were closed. And there's not a lot of other times you can deep clean a hotel and restaurant. We'll be back after these messages. Hey, everyone, it's me, Stephanie, the hostess of the McCabe Family podcast. Join me and my whole Bekah family every week as we tell you all the tales of spooky, kooky, creepy, freaky, hairy, you name it, we got it as a macabre family podcast. 01;26;40;21 - 01;27;07;09 Unknown Join us every week on all listening platforms. Stay spooky, right? But I want to say she found a box of, like, old books of his. And I don't remember why he did not take one at that time. Maybe she just got through them first or something. Yeah, I don't remember, but. But I do. Yeah. I do want to read his book because I think he, he pointed on a couple of things that, that talked about over the years. 01;27;07;09 - 01;27;35;10 Unknown So. Very cool. Yeah. Yeah. So those who have stayed at or visited the Palmer House Hotel have experienced a wide array of unexplained spectacles that defy rational explanation. Sudden drops in temperature have been reported with gas filling an icy chill passed through the air, even in the absence of open windows or drafty corridors, objects have been known to move on their own, only to reappear in unexpected locations. 01;27;35;13 - 01;28;03;24 Unknown Lights have been known to flicker all the time and all the time there's an unsettling sensation of being watched, has sent shivers many people's spines, and some have even claimed to encounter full body apparitions, catching fleeting glimpses of ghostly figures drifting through the hallways or standing silently in empty rooms. Spooky. These. You're making me want to get back there. 01;28;03;24 - 01;28;28;16 Unknown I have a big think that would freak me out more if I woke up to somebody just standing there watching, staring at me. Yeah. Yeah. I would always try and tell them, Don't watch me sleep. And if you're going to like, just don't let me know that you're watching your sleep because that's gross. But go into invisibility mode, right? 01;28;28;19 - 01;28;54;01 Unknown Right. But yeah, I mean, the Palmer House never disappoints and you do get a little bit of that. Everything there, you know, like I said, it's not uncommon for a wine glass to just all of a sudden just shoot across the table and and smash against the wall or, you know, I mean, it's not abnormal at all for people to see full body apparitions. 01;28;54;03 - 01;29;18;01 Unknown Yeah. And audibly you can audibly hear things sometimes, which is kind of abnormal. I mean, I think it's hard for them to get that energy to do it strong enough to where we can actually hear them with our own ears. You know what I mean? Do you think the majority of the haunting is residual or do you think it's. 01;29;18;03 - 01;29;41;21 Unknown no, I'm losing my words. Intelligent. Yes. Yes. So yeah. So I definitely think that what is there is intelligent because it definitely does I don't want to say mess with you. I always say they're jokesters. Like if you go in there and you're like, okay, don't don't do this, because that's what's going to scare me. Well, that's what they're going to do because they're like children, you know? 01;29;41;24 - 01;30;10;13 Unknown Right? They're defiant little children. And and they always are just kind of jokesters. And I've always said that about about the Palmer House spirits is, you know, they seem to be just kind of having a good old time whatever they're doing and they just think it's hilarious. I think, you know that they're getting all this attention. Well, they've got to have some fun, right And it's you know, it's it's never threatening. 01;30;10;13 - 01;30;36;11 Unknown Like I said earlier, like we you know, we try very hard to make sure that the energy is positive there and and, you know, the spirits that are there are are welcome there and not something that somebody has brought in that has more of a negative tone to it. Note to Sam, when we book our weekend at the Palmer House, Jenny's got to go there and make the energy good before get dirty at the Palmer kids. 01;30;36;14 - 01;31;01;09 Unknown I would love to. I yeah, I got a new job about two years ago and I don't even know if I've been at all since I got this job. Just takes all of my time. But yeah, I haven't been there in way too long. I need to get back there for sure. I will let you know when we book our weekend, so that would be really fun to have somebody that does this professionally and I would love to. 01;31;01;09 - 01;31;24;17 Unknown Has definitely a show your own. Yes. Play with some equipment. Definitely play with all of the fun. The coolest right? There was another entity that I have some articles mentioned it, some didn't. The lady in White, I know every location has a lady in white. I was just going to say there's always got to be a lady in white. 01;31;24;20 - 01;31;49;06 Unknown And I would say that's probably going to be Annie, because the picture that we have on of that apparition in Room 11, when that guest took it after she had left the room, it does definitely look like that apparition that's kind of maybe in like a means like white, you know, kind of like those aprons. The white apron things. 01;31;49;09 - 01;32;12;02 Unknown it's been so long since I've seen that picture, but I want to say she was wearing white, so I didn't come across anything on any. So can you give us a little, you know, brief story about Annie? Yeah. So there used to be train tracks, freight behind the Palmer, and it was a huge stop for traveling salesmen back in the day. 01;32;12;04 - 01;32;36;25 Unknown And the story goes that Annie was, I think, like early twenties and ended up getting pregnant by one of these traveling salesman. And, you know, I mean, the story kind of you hear this a lot with with older locations and then, you know, she's standing at the window and waiting for him to come back and he never comes back. 01;32;36;25 - 01;33;02;22 Unknown And so again, we don't have documentation on any that's kind of her her story is just that she got that pregnant. And I don't really know. We don't we've never heard what happened to her, you know, if she passed of what happened. But you can definitely feel kind of more shy energy when you go into 11. I love 11. 01;33;02;25 - 01;33;26;15 Unknown 11 is very calming for me. I like to write. So when I want to go down there and and focus on writing Eleven's the room that I pick, just because it's a very calming energy in there. And on the other hand, if you bring in, you know, sometimes when we'll do tours or whatever, I'll, I'll open up the room and, and let them, if there's no guests in there, let people go in. 01;33;26;18 - 01;33;49;28 Unknown And if you go in there, kind of like with a stronger personality, especially men, she's going to leave right away and nothing's going to happen in that room. Wow. But yeah, and and that is pretty, you know, when you have stronger energies and like, actual people energies and and more aggressive people, absolutely nothing's going to happen in that room. 01;33;49;28 - 01;34;11;29 Unknown And we just think that she probably just leaves because she's like, I don't have to deal with this. I'm going to get on somebody. I'm going to go do my own thing. Going out with Lucy, Right, Right. We're going upstairs. So, yeah, I really like 11 just because it is a really calming energy. So yeah, we always say that that's an room. 01;34;12;02 - 01;34;39;05 Unknown Okay, well, that's cool. I did not come across any at all in my interest in that. Yeah. So the basement of the Palmer House is an area that brims with paranormal activity and is notorious for its eerie atmosphere where many guests, guest staff members have reported unsettling experiences in the basement, including feelings of being watched, unexplained cold spots, and even encounters with shadowy figures. 01;34;39;07 - 01;35;00;19 Unknown Some have heard whispers or disembodied voices emanating from the darkness, while others have felt an overwhelming sense of unease upon entering the basement area. And I know you were in the basement with that one gentleman. I can't think of his name right now. Chad Lewis. Yes, Yes. And I can't remember. I do talk about, I think a couple other people from Minnesota in here. 01;35;00;19 - 01;35;31;15 Unknown I'm wondering if he's one of them Might might not be. But I can't remember the names. I'm horrible names. So that's why I'm let's see here. There's also stories associated with a former employee named Harvey. And Harvey was, caretaker of the hotel in the sixties and seventies. You know anything about him and no, So. my God, she's going to kill me if she knows. 01;35;31;17 - 01;35;55;21 Unknown So Kelly's dad, he used to live at the hotel and he had his workshop down in the basement. his name started with an age, but it was not hurt. Okay, You're old here. Old? Maybe. my God. I'm so embarrassed right now. I should know that. no. These are hard, too. I'm just sad that. right, right, right. 01;35;55;24 - 01;36;15;25 Unknown But I know that he had his workshop down in the basement, and there's actually so a lot of stuff of his down there. He used to live at the hotel, and then he just ended getting in such bad health that he had to move in, I believe, with her sister, who was doing more hospice care for him because he just couldn't do the stairs. 01;36;15;25 - 01;36;45;12 Unknown And then in the hotel anymore. So I'm not sure if that I mean, it's very close. So it definitely could. Yeah, massively. But yeah, I mean I haven't had experiences with him her in the hotel. I'm pretty sure people have, but I have not personally. And then the last one I believe that we have for ghosts is a bride to be named Rose. 01;36;45;16 - 01;37;15;07 Unknown What? That's again. This is why I have somebody that has been there is familiar, right The Harvey Ring's a little bit of a bell. Rose means nothing. That that doesn't bride to be. No, I have no idea who that could be. And again, that for me, it resonates with a lot of tales. Like the Lady in White. You know, she was the bride of the night before her wedding. 01;37;15;12 - 01;37;40;13 Unknown It was to be a joyous occasion. But she fell down the stairs, met her untimely demise. So to me, that was kind of like a yada, yada, yada. Okay. Yeah. But I included it because I wasn't sure if it was true or not. And then I was I had put in here that if this was truly a ghost, there then she could be the lady, you know, the lady in white, you know, a bride in a dry, you know, in her dress. 01;37;40;14 - 01;38;04;29 Unknown Right, Right. Which wouldn't. Yeah, definitely make sense. No, that one I have never even heard of that one, you know, to me. Okay, well, like I said, this is why it's so awesome to have somebody that has been there, that worked there. This was right as soon as I came across that the TCU paranormal, I was like, I am going to reach out to them because I want firsthand information. 01;38;05;01 - 01;38;31;04 Unknown Well, and you just happened to pick the team that one of their members worked there, so you picked the right one. Yeah, they sent it to me and they're like, Hey, can you do this one? I was like, Yeah. me. That was so cool that that ended up working out. Yes, absolutely. Nothing's coincidence. The other thing I've came across is there's been many, like you said, many different investigators that have been in there. 01;38;31;06 - 01;39;03;14 Unknown They've captured many different documentations. EVP is Unexplained Voices. Photographs have revealed the mysterious orbs and apparitions. What about this here, Chris Schneider? yes. Let me explain to Chris. Yeah, What about Chris? Yeah, There he was in the episode. I'm trying to get down there. Here. Want me to just read it off? Yeah, definitely go for it. So Chris Schneider, who claims to have experienced possession while exploring the basement so. 01;39;03;14 - 01;39;31;16 Unknown Chris is Chris, is she She just moved down to Florida and a couple of years ago, we're hoping she comes back, but she's one of Kelly's best friends, really good friends of of all of ours. Her and her husband, Bill Schneider, would come up and do investigating all the time. They actually were on, I believe, my ghost story, if not more than just my ghost story. 01;39;31;17 - 01;40;02;01 Unknown And Bill ended up passing. gosh, How long ago has it been now? Seven, maybe seven years ago, six or seven years ago. And I don't know if you've ever seen the mural of Sinclair Lewis that that we ended up painting on the back of the Palmer house. But Chris donated all of the money from the donations for after Bill passed so that we could do that just because the Palmer House was such a so close to both of them. 01;40;02;03 - 01;40;29;21 Unknown definitely so, yeah. She has a sensitive arm and she definitely has picked up some some pretty crazy things and it's been years since I've seen the Michael Story episode, but if you can find it, you can kind of see what happens. It's not I wouldn't say it's a possession and I don't I wouldn't think that she would call it a possession. 01;40;29;23 - 01;40;57;01 Unknown She just kind of goes into almost like a trance where she kind of just starts getting downloads of information and just kind of talks. And she doesn't necessarily always know what she's talking about. She's literally just talking about the information that she's being given. And one those instances did gut they did capture it and air it on my ghost story. 01;40;57;03 - 01;41;20;28 Unknown You know, I mean, it's definitely interesting if you don't if you're not used to kind of seeing stuff like that now, I'll definitely be looking that up. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, it's but I know Chris and she's she's an amazing, amazing person and she's one of the people that, you know, would have been the ones that woke me up at 4:00 in the morning and said, okay, something's up. 01;41;20;28 - 01;41;49;09 Unknown Let's go. Let's go to some clearing. Yeah. She moved down to Florida after her. I think her father passed away a few years ago and and she moved down there. So we don't see her too often anymore. But she she's always one of our Palmer House family for sure. That's. You kind of dive in a little bit. I'm just going to kind of skip through quickly about the the Bagel Bites episode. 01;41;49;11 - 01;42;15;18 Unknown Okay. Yes, That's basically he starts off the episode saying that he explores the tragic fire that engulfed the soccer center house, discussing The Hunting believes that individuals were trapped in the basement and met a grim fate within its fiery inferno and which we've already discussed that we don't believe anybody was in the basement. But, you know, it's right, the grand facade of the episode. 01;42;15;20 - 01;42;40;18 Unknown Right. So during his investigation, he interviews Kelly and they walk through the Palmer House together. They venture into the basement where Kelly shares a remarkable story involving a stranger who had no prior connection to the Palmer House. The stranger had a vivid dream in which a gentleman appeared, insisting that it was time for this untold to be revealed. 01;42;40;20 - 01;43;05;02 Unknown Deeply moved by the dream, the stranger confided in Kelly, disclosing that there was a body buried beneath the basement stairs. So Kelly talks about how she took it upon herself to investigate further, arming herself with a large spoon. And she started to dig a large. And to her astonishment, she did uncover what she believed to be multiple human rib bones. 01;43;05;04 - 01;43;35;13 Unknown However, when she returned to the basement, the following day, the bonds had mysteriously vanished, leaving behind a perplexing mystery. That is true. Wow. And actually, if you go down there, there's still a little tiny shovel. The place that she found the bones is kind of in. You can't I mean, it's not easy to get to. It's underneath a hidden set of stairs and you can't really get to it from the back way either unless you really crawl back there. 01;43;35;13 - 01;43;54;08 Unknown And and I'm scared of spiders, so I don't do things like that. But. But, but yeah, if you go down there, I mean, you can still kind of look through this, the steps on the stairs and you can still see that there's a shovel on there. And I mean, you know, we talked about it. I guess I don't really know what her theory is on it. 01;43;54;10 - 01;44;16;03 Unknown I think the bonds did disappear. We have no idea where they are. We have a little jar of bones down there. So when people come in and if they're down in the basement doing chores or whatever, and they're like, my God, here's the ones that are missing. We're like, No, those are literally those are the Replicas or the Ghost Adventures episode. 01;44;16;05 - 01;44;40;27 Unknown so the ones that are actually down there are literally from from the episode. But I think one of the theories that she had, I mean, we never knew and I don't think that she necessarily she would have never said, yeah, those are those are human rib bones. I'm sure she probably didn't know what kind of bones they are maybe she said resembled or something, but they portrayed it as something more. 01;44;40;29 - 01;45;15;06 Unknown Yeah. I don't think she's ever really speculated. Yes, they are human, but know it's 100 something year old basement. Right. And it's it's very largely untouched down there. You know, it's one of the most original parts of the whole building. And if this is going to sound really bad to say and and we're going to put this my words, not Kelly's words, but, you know, if she had called law enforcement and said, I found this curious set of bones underneath one of my staircases, it's very likely they would have had to come in. 01;45;15;06 - 01;45;46;03 Unknown And it's going to be, definitely a lot of the area. And the spirits, you know, if you've ever heard the theory that they don't renovations while it's true like right activity does does tend to kick up when you're doing renovations and you know spirits don't want things to change. They want to stay how they know them. So we think maybe in an attempt to make sure that the whole basement didn't have to get ripped up, they went missing. 01;45;46;03 - 01;46;08;10 Unknown We don't know what happened to that. We you know, and again, we can't say that they were for sure human bones. They could very well have been animal bones, but we just don't know. But yeah, somebody literally called her and said, this is going to sound really weird, but I'm getting these dreams and these visions. And she's like, okay, well, let's go see what that's about. 01;46;08;15 - 01;46;34;09 Unknown That's And she when she actually started digging stuff up, it was kind of like an crap moment. And I didn't take that. I'm just grabbing this and I'm going and I'm going to. He says, That's awesome. That's totally. KELLY So going forward in the episode, they're kind of interviewing Kelly in the basement. She kind of becomes uncomfortable. 01;46;34;11 - 01;46;57;19 Unknown She feels like she's being surrounded. They decide to take her out of the basement because they could tell that she was definitely feeling or affected. And when they got upstairs, Kelly shared an encounter that she had with a black dog possessing red eyes in the basement at one point. I don't believe Kelly's ever had that experience with with her dogs. 01;46;57;19 - 01;47;20;11 Unknown It's a known thing that there are supposed to be dogs down there. The Palmers were avid hunters, and so they would keep their dogs down in the basement. Alco And somehow that's gotten stress to demon dogs. I don't know how, but that's but that's where we went with that. As far as I know, I don't believe Kelly's had an experience with the dogs. 01;47;20;11 - 01;47;51;16 Unknown Okay. Like negative wise. But again, like I said, I didn't watch that episode, so I don't I guess I'm not sure about that one. The last thing I'm going to cover on their episode is it's said that there is a renowned local paranormal investigator, Dave, Do you know him? Yep. Yeah. So he recounts a spine chilling encounter that unfolded in the Palmer House basement alongside three fellow investigators. 01;47;51;16 - 01;48;20;23 Unknown They positioned themselves near the staircase, the very spot where the rumored body was buried. As they fixated their gaze upon the stairs a face materialized from the shadows and advanced towards them with an eerie intensity. Dave vividly describes this bone chilling sight as the most petrified an experience he has ever witnessed. I believe that, yeah, and I believe that actually that was an interview with him that I wrote the story ago. 01;48;20;23 - 01;48;40;01 Unknown So I'm trying to. Yeah, it's a little foggy in my brain, but Ray and Dave used to do a ton of events here at the Palmer House. I don't. Well, actually, I think he did start doing events back at the Palmer again, but it's kind of one of his favorite places. He he's kind of a bigger known celebrity in the paranormal. 01;48;40;03 - 01;49;09;19 Unknown He's had a couple shows. Those are files he's going to kill me because I can't really remember the rest of them, but but yeah, he's done. He's done a lot of work with Kelly, and I've never heard that story per se. But I do remember one, it was Halloween and I was giving some ghost tours and I had taken some people down the basement and somebody had asked to see that the location where the bones were found. 01;49;09;22 - 01;49;36;07 Unknown So, you know, the easiest way to see it is through that staircase. So I brought her over to the staircase and she's taken pictures and we go about our night, go back upstairs eventually. And she freaks out and she comes up to me and shows me a picture that she had taken through or through the stairs. And you could clearly see ahead with it look like a cowboy hat on it. 01;49;36;09 - 01;50;02;02 Unknown It was crazy. It was it was pretty crazy. And and as in the bunker, like, I'm like, my God, I have no idea what. Right? Like, I mean, that is clear as day. So I definitely believe that that day probably experienced something because I think that was one of the first times that I ever had actually brought a guest over there to kind of explore the area. 01;50;02;04 - 01;50;23;25 Unknown And she got that right away. And it's pretty cool. Yeah. So other than that, just to wrap up their episode, they got their normal, you know, little EVP ears and stuff like that here and there. Zac went underneath the stairs and was digging wild to I think it was the gentleman we just talked about. And one case. 01;50;23;27 - 01;51;04;01 Unknown Yes, one of Zach's team members went up to Lucy's room and they asked the question, Is anybody here in danger? They an EVP of Zach Bagans and any of like evil laughter afterwards. So they went down to the basement. They told them that what they heard. And so it's all, you know, show shows, show, right? And the only thing that they really had for evidence that they showed was they had cameras set up in the basement and there was a gray wire hanging down. 01;51;04;03 - 01;51;28;21 Unknown Then there was a an orb that went from one end of the or one side of the hallway to the other, and then towards that wire. And then all of a sudden, the wires started moving and all. Interesting. Yeah. So that was about that was about the extent of that episode. And I just I'm a huge advocate of respecting hunting locations and respecting the paranormal. 01;51;28;24 - 01;51;58;16 Unknown And I just sometimes think that that is not the focus of that show, right? So you take it a little over the top, sometimes a little bit, a little bit. You know, you shouldn't go into somebody's house and start yelling at the homeowner, you know what I mean? Like, how would you feel if somebody came into your house and just started yelling at you like, I just do things differently, but but yeah, that's that's literally the only reason I didn't watch it, because I didn't want to feel like it was being disrespectful. 01;51;58;16 - 01;52;21;09 Unknown But like I said, Kelly thought very highly of them. You know, obviously shows are for ratings. Any any show is going to it's going to, you know, kind of skewer the truth in the way that they think that it's going to get more viewers. So you know so I think that's what I think was the big difference, because I've seen some ghost hunters and some Taps episodes. 01;52;21;16 - 01;52;48;08 Unknown They're like, we got nothing. Yeah, I mean, they go in 90% of the time. You're right. They go back to the homeowner and they're like, I'm sorry, we got nothing. Yeah. And it's it's surprising because some people get really pissed off when you tell them that, you know. But it's like, you know, you're here all the time. You know, we come in one night, maybe 6 hours, like just because we didn't catch anything in that 6 hours, that doesn't mean that we don't believe your story. 01;52;48;09 - 01;53;16;07 Unknown Like, people just want to tell their stories. You and be heard and not feel crazy. But, you know, just because we didn't pick something up in that 6 hours, that definitely doesn't mean it's not haunted. No, I mean that we didn't get anything in that 6 hours. But, you know, I tell everybody, if you want to go to a legit haunted place and be in a safe place to experience it, definitely go to the Palmer House. 01;53;16;13 - 01;53;40;12 Unknown Well, that'll be my first stop. Has I believe that. Let's go. Let's get in the car right now. No, we can't. All right, So I will take any reservations tonight. I couldn't work my magic. But just kidding. I can't. I can't. I can't be in the Fox center right now. But. But, yes, I would love to go with you guys. 01;53;40;12 - 01;54;02;02 Unknown That would be a lot up there. That would be so much fun. Well, Jenny, thank you so much for taking this time with us today. And I definitely want to have you back. We want to I want to cover some more stuff local and some other stuff that you've done. And even if we did, you know, get a couple people together as well as you and do an episode on the Waverly House. 01;54;02;02 - 01;54;18;26 Unknown Who are that? fine. Weaver Hills. Yeah. Waverly Hills. Yes. Sorry. That's what I was trying to spit out. I think that would be a fun episode, too, to hear your guys's stories on that. And. But this. and we could get quite a few people from my team to go on that one because we all have stories. 01;54;18;26 - 01;54;40;09 Unknown So that would be fun to beloveds. Well, we'll do some more clapping via email and I can't thank you enough for coming on and doing this and taking, you know, taking your time to share all your stories with us. Yeah, absolutely. Well, thank you for having me and listening to me gab about things that I love. I love it. 01;54;40;09 - 01;55;02;23 Unknown I loved every second of it. Now I said, Well, yeah, you have my information. Yes. Yeah. And absolutely, you know, for any viewers. And we're huge on education with CPS and, you know, we just want to help people, whether you're just looking for education on the paranormal or specific locations or, you know, if you just have random questions, we we love to help. 01;55;02;23 - 01;55;31;21 Unknown So however we can help reach out to us, ask questions. We love to talk. And one more time before we go, share out your information on where people can find you and reach you guys. Yeah. So our website and our email is going to be tdps and dot org and then email is info at CPS and then dot org and then Facebook and Instagram Twin Cities Paranormal society. 01;55;31;21 - 01;55;55;03 Unknown I love it. Awesome. Well, thanks again. And we'll keep in touch and we'll, we'll get some other stuff flowing for another episode and maybe an adventure. Fantastic. Sounds great. Thanks, guys. And you have a good time. You too. Bye, calculator. Bye, Wild. Crazy. That was a great episode. Jenny is hilarious and very informative. She is a wealth of knowledge. 01;55;55;03 - 01;56;18;11 Unknown I had so much fun. Did you book our stay at the Palmer house yet? Not yet. We're still recording. Sully. I thought you were good at multitasking sometimes, but I'm not Hack Well, let's get on it. Of course. Well, that's it for today, folks. Traci has activities that she needs to get on. You like a kid at Christmas. 01;56;18;11 - 01;56;47;29 Unknown Wanted to open his presents. yeah? 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